Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11

Thread: Vehicle purpose android tablet: Vivid

  1. #1
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    30

    Vehicle purpose android tablet: Vivid

    Superchips has designed an in-vehicle android tablet off of an archos 43. I was wondering when the commercial world would stop using custom software and start utilizing android.

    http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/03/s...ce-dubs-it-vi/

    Hopefully its the first of many - and I hope 3rd party development is in full force. As with many people, I feel this is the future of car computing.

    EDIT: Oh, if you're not sold on this particular tablet, Superchips is saying they will sell "AVID", a bluetooth dongle and software suite that will do the same for other android tablets.

  2. #2
    Mod - iPad Forums RipplingHurst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Danville, CA
    Posts
    2,161
    I think a 4.3" screen is too small, I'd rather buy an Android phone instead. However, unlike android phones, the Archos screen is resistive. That alone makes me not want it.

    I'd rather have this one instead: Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.4 x 4.7in tablet

  3. #3
    Raw Wave
    Auto Apps:loading...
    justchat_1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Boston, Ma or NY,NY
    Posts
    1,783
    Yea a 4.3" screen is 1/2-2/3 of the size of anything else you would find in a car...just because someone announces a product doesn't mean it has any public interest or chance of being successful. Somehow they managed to stick a cell phone in a dash, keep the terrible interface and raise the price.

    @RipplingHurst:
    How can you look at that tablet taking a picture and not laugh? a 7"x4" tablet is not a cell phone and it looks like no one told them that.

  4. #4
    Mod - iPad Forums RipplingHurst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Danville, CA
    Posts
    2,161
    Heh, it is funny. I'm kind of used to that, since I'm familiar with tablet and pictures like these:




    I wouldn't care about the rear camera (there's a front facing camera too I think, that can be useful for chat).

    I would be happy to use the Galaxy Tab instead of my 7" Xenarc. Whole computer inside the screen bezel, I like the concept.

  5. #5
    licensed to kill - FKA kev000
    Auto Apps:loading...
    tripzero's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    16.40618, 120.61106
    Posts
    2,494
    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    I think a 4.3" screen is too small, I'd rather buy an Android phone instead. However, unlike android phones, the Archos screen is resistive. That alone makes me not want it.

    I'd rather have this one instead: Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.4 x 4.7in tablet
    The whole resistive vs capacitive thing is so subjective it's borderline ridiculous. You touch the screen and stuff happens. That's really the only thing that should matter. There's really not a significant difference otherwise.
    Former author of LinuxICE, nghost, nobdy.
    Current author of Automotive Message Broker (AMB).
    Works on Tizen IVI. Does not represent anyone or anything but himself.

  6. #6
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    30
    I agree, I'm not particularly excited about the hardware. I think that this is an important product for 2 reasons.

    1) It marks the first product that is commercially developed specifically for in-car use (well, okay, that's not exactly true. It is an archos).

    2) The press release also announced the "AVID" package that will hopefully work with other, better tablets. This is hardware I can get excited about, depending on its functionality and quality.

    I hope that manufacturer's see the potential of android as an in-car platform and develop hardware around it. What I would love to see is an android tablet that fits into a double DIN slot, sunlight readable display, capacitive touchscreen, and a built in hardware amp with standard car audio and power connectors.

    Startup time on android devices is pretty bad, but if the battery lasted long enough, hopefully standby time would suffice between drives. Ideally, it would access the marketplace and maybe even have a section for car-specific packages, that can be developed by the rock-stars of the mp3car forums.

    Although Android is primarily developed as phone software, this particular iteration would ideally interface with other phones to allow for bluetooth phone control. And while not necessary, it would be pretty sweet if Android could recognize a CD/DVD/Bluray drive for media.

    Anyways, that's kind of my super-android-car-tablet.

    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    The whole resistive vs capacitive thing is so subjective it's borderline ridiculous. You touch the screen and stuff happens. That's really the only thing that should matter. There's really not a significant difference otherwise.
    Well, AFAIK, it's way easier to do multi-touch on a capacitive screen. I think it's technically possible to do multi-touch on a resistive screen, but its very difficult, so basically nobody supports it. Gesture support is really important to some people, and you have way more flexibility if your platform supports multi-touch gestures.

  7. #7
    Mod - iPad Forums RipplingHurst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Danville, CA
    Posts
    2,161
    AFAIK Capacitives are brighter, more transparent, not milky. Also more responsive. All that matters.

  8. #8
    Admin. Linux loser.
    Auto Apps:loading...
    Bugbyte's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Corning, NY
    Posts
    7,359
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    The whole resistive vs capacitive thing is so subjective it's borderline ridiculous. You touch the screen and stuff happens. That's really the only thing that should matter. There's really not a significant difference otherwise.
    Mmmm. Not my experience. I've run the Xenarc 8" resistive and the iPad capcitive in the car and the difference is striking. The capacitive feels silky smooth, is much more responsive, brighter, and doesn't feel like you're pressing a Dr. Scholl's gel insert.

    It may not matter to most, but that's my experience. Using my Tom Tom nav last weekend, it felt plasticky and didn't respond nearly as well as capacitive.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruzer View Post
    I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
    Want to:
    -Find out about the new iBug iPad install?
    -Find out about carPC's in just 5 minutes? View the Car PC 101 video

  9. #9
    licensed to kill - FKA kev000
    Auto Apps:loading...
    tripzero's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    16.40618, 120.61106
    Posts
    2,494
    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    Mmmm. Not my experience. I've run the Xenarc 8" resistive and the iPad capcitive in the car and the difference is striking. The capacitive feels silky smooth, is much more responsive, brighter, and doesn't feel like you're pressing a Dr. Scholl's gel insert.

    It may not matter to most, but that's my experience. Using my Tom Tom nav last weekend, it felt plasticky and didn't respond nearly as well as capacitive.
    There's a huge, *huge* difference in quality in the ipad's screen vs the current cesspool of xenarc and lilliputs out there. And that's where you will see the differences: in the quality of panels used. I have a nexus one side by side with my n900 and an ipad that i use for testing. The n900's resistive is more silky smooth and responsive than the nexus one's panel and the ipad's is better than the n900's. I really don't see a huge difference in the brightness even in daylight. I've also toyed with a few other resistive screens on phones that are by far worse than even lilliput/xenarc. So it really depends on the quality.

    Also because of the technology, resistive is technically more accurate... unless you are using a capacitive pen or sharpen your finger.

    I'm not sure multitouch is 'harder' to do on resistive than it is on capacitive. At any rate, that's a manufacturing detail, not something the user should ever care about.

    Here's a resistive touchscreen with 5 multi-touch points (fast forward to about 5mins):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIKYF7MOzU

    I'm not going to argue that one is better than the other. I just think if resistive is a "deal breaker" for you on an otherwise compelling product (again, I'm not saying that this archos tablet is compelling), you may have your priorities slightly mixed up. The difference between a good resistive and a good capacitive aren't huge. How the OS and software works and the overall functionality of the hardware is a much bigger deal IMHO. I mean, if you had to chose between this resistive android tablet and a windows 95 tablet with an amazing capacitive screen, would you really go with the capacitive?

    It's just interesting to me how people get so polarized about capacitive vs resistive. There are tons of people that can't stand capacitive as well and I just don't understand why.
    Former author of LinuxICE, nghost, nobdy.
    Current author of Automotive Message Broker (AMB).
    Works on Tizen IVI. Does not represent anyone or anything but himself.

  10. #10
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    30
    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    There's a huge, *huge* difference in quality in the ipad's screen vs the current cesspool of xenarc and lilliputs out there. And that's where you will see the differences: in the quality of panels used. I have a nexus one side by side with my n900 and an ipad that i use for testing. The n900's resistive is more silky smooth and responsive than the nexus one's panel and the ipad's is better than the n900's. I really don't see a huge difference in the brightness even in daylight. I've also toyed with a few other resistive screens on phones that are by far worse than even lilliput/xenarc. So it really depends on the quality.

    Also because of the technology, resistive is technically more accurate... unless you are using a capacitive pen or sharpen your finger.

    I'm not sure multitouch is 'harder' to do on resistive than it is on capacitive. At any rate, that's a manufacturing detail, not something the user should ever care about.

    Here's a resistive touchscreen with 5 multi-touch points (fast forward to about 5mins):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIKYF7MOzU

    I'm not going to argue that one is better than the other. I just think if resistive is a "deal breaker" for you on an otherwise compelling product (again, I'm not saying that this archos tablet is compelling), you may have your priorities slightly mixed up. The difference between a good resistive and a good capacitive aren't huge. How the OS and software works and the overall functionality of the hardware is a much bigger deal IMHO. I mean, if you had to chose between this resistive android tablet and a windows 95 tablet with an amazing capacitive screen, would you really go with the capacitive?

    It's just interesting to me how people get so polarized about capacitive vs resistive. There are tons of people that can't stand capacitive as well and I just don't understand why.
    TLDR:
    I think you should interpret someone's preference for "capacitive" as a preference for a low-pressure, multi-touch interface rather than a preference for the technology itself.

    Full post:
    Any way you put it, the vast majority of resistive screens on the market do not have multi-touch, and the majority of capacitive panels do. It was for the reason that I was deducing that multi-touch is easier on a capacitive panel. To be frank, you've given me no evidence that it isn't harder on a resistive - just a video of a prototype panel.

    I never said the technology isn't capable - certainly if you have a highly sensitive, low-pressure, multi-touch resistive touchscreen of high build quality your experience will be better than that of a standard capacitive touch screen - perhaps as good or better than the best capacitives. Except nothing like that is available to consumers right now.

    Your point was that the difference between a "good" resistive and a "good" capacitive aren't that huge. Fine - except there are very few "good" resistive touch screens out there. So when a new product comes along and its a resistive touch screen, chances are that its your standard high-pressure, single-touch garbage. Conversely, while your standard capacitive touchscreen is nowhere near the build quality of the iOS devices, it is significantly better than your standard resistive.

    The rest of the argument is opinion anyways. To me, input is a HUGE deal - the easier I can quickly and accurately communicate with the hardware, the more satisfying the device is.

    You're right, the word "resistive" vs "capacitive" on a piece of paper or website shouldn't mean anything to you. But there is a large disparity in the average build quality in each group - thus the words carry more meaning than the technology it refers to.

    Also, while resistive touch screens have always been more accurate, the current paradigm focuses interface around the finger. Again, it's "easier" to determine the shape of the finger via the synaptic connections on a capacitive screen vs the center of pressure on a resistive screen. I'm sure a higher quality resistive screen can do just a good of a job, but it's got to actually be used in a product to matter.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Another Android Tablet thread...
    By GUS in forum Android Tablet
    Replies: 41
    Last Post: 06-04-2012, 02:46 AM
  2. Product Request: Android 'Froyo' 2.2 - Large Novel, not for the weak hearted
    By Samsonite801 in forum Product Suggestions for the Mp3Car Store
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 10-15-2010, 01:36 PM
  3. Android Tablet
    By SLimp3car in forum Software & Software Development
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 08-10-2010, 12:36 PM
  4. Continental announces Android-based AutoLinQ™ to compete with Sync
    By Blues in forum Software & Software Development
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 03-09-2010, 12:38 PM
  5. Article: Privacy of vehicle information being debated
    By VanMan69 in forum General MP3Car Discussion
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 03-15-2005, 02:59 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •