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    Whoa! So much automation, that's more than a carputer, you're building robots man! Kudos!

    Yeah, I doubt the iPad is that flexible, but who knows? Give it a good bluetooth stack and maybe you won't need USB at all?

    BTW I still can't believe you can have this quality screen alone for less than $500.00 - not to mention all the rest of course. Same thing with a used Tablet. I can't even look at my Xenarc in the FX anymore. It's twice the thickness, much less responsive, ugly, milky, smaller and only $100.00 cheaper. It's true cost should be $100.00 though and still I wouldn't buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGGKATT01 View Post
    Blk02si, I completely understand your side of this conversation except for the fact that the system that I had installed in my 07 Dodge Durango I could take it out of my truck an take it in the house and use it as a home pc.

    So if we use your logic all the carputer is is a home computer in the car. and if I am not correct most of the parts can be used in a home pc. You see it can go both ways your saying that the Ipad is just an Ipad but a carputer is nothing more than a home pc placed in our cars that's the point we turned home pcs into something that could be used in the car.

    I am in no way trying to belittle your point of view I am just trying to get you to see how someone that doesn't want a whole lot of hassle trying to get something to run in there car is coming from.

    The carputer I had installed was some work to get in and setup and no matter what I did it never completely ran smooth I believe it was a windows thing ( hate it ) but anyway it took 65 sec to boot and it constantly crashed . The Ipad on the other hand boots in relatively no time and it does most of the things my old setup did and more.

    So I guess it's to each his own but I do beleive the Ipad can be called and used as a carputer.
    Maybe it didn't work well because you were using your home PC in the car? That absolutely does not fit my definition, as a home PC is built for a stationary install, and yes that is even worse than using an iPad.

    The x86 architecture can be built incredibility rugged if one is so inclined. I am using an SLC type SSD, Embedded operating system, DC>DC power supply , and passive cooling. The entire system is solid state with no moving parts. All wiring has been split loomed and connectors have been silicone bonded. All power runs are fused and relayed to the battery. Could this be used as a home PC? Probably but why bother? It's built for the car, it runs on 12 volts. If I want to compute at home I will use my LGA 1366 i7 workstation. In retrospect, I've owned my iPhone for approx the same amount of time since I finished this build and have had more problems with the apple product than I have with my custom built car computer. Sometimes to get things right you just have to build it yourself.

    So for those who are throwing a HP tower in the trunk of their ride with a square wave sine inverter and wondering why things are not working out so well then yes, the iPad is right up your alley!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jr4284 View Post
    I like your definition a lot, actually.

    A few things:

    1) would you consider this an appropriate integration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwKnB...layer_embedded
    Safety is certainly in mind.
    Temperature I haven't experienced any issues to date, but I haven't subjected it to 130 degree temperatures either. My carputer, however, DOES have issues when it is super cold -- the display, anyway.

    2) Your definition has two components:
    - Physical Integration
    - Functionality

    You actually admitted in your definition that, functionally, the iPad meets all of the requirements.
    The only delta between the iPad and your definition of a carputer is the physical integration. With mounting solutions coming out day by day (I don't consider a bungee a mounting solution, FWIW), we should be there soon enough. I'm curious if you consider my solution "integrated" as well. It uses all of the stock mounting locations, screws, snaps. Only the "retainer tabs" are new to the design, and they have been designed purposefully to withstand substantial force.
    OMFG, I have to say this guy is a f#*king awesome modder. Wow I am impressed how he got the iPad in there. Also impressed with the other mods in the car I see, like doors and steering wheel, etc.

    I will say this..... The iPad is not a Car PC, I dont care what you say or do, it is what it is. I will say that the iPad is a Car PDA with multimedia features.

    I also want to bring up that I think everyone has different views of what a Car PC should be. blk02si, I think, has the same view as me. The Car PC is something that should be intergrated into the car, meaning it becomes a part of the car and who cares about taking it in and out. Others have other views, they think a Car PC is a PC that can come in and out of the car at will. I dont agree with that idea because it limits what can be done before having to make docks, have wires all over the place, etc. Ford basically puts a Car PC or something similar in the Fusion, Escape, Taurus and most likely other cars. Do they come in and out of the car? I guess it all comes down to preference. I respect that people like taking the Car PC out because it limits loss, but when you take a super PDA and say its all that and beats the PC, thats when I 100000000% disagree, lol.
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    blk02si the system In had in my truck was a what some of you call a carpc I purchased it from mo-co-so.com. So it wasn't a tower and it still had problems alot of problems. it would crash on a regular in the winter time it would take at least 15 min to start in the winterso I had a real carpc install. I just feel if one can find a better way to catch a mouse then fine.

    You see this is the point I am getting at Zx1cruizer, you are willing to call the system that are in the new fords a carpc what makes them so nothing you can n ot install any of your own software except for music files on it so under your own and someothers definition it's not a carpc. it's just a "super pda"

    If you would like to call the Ipad a super pda then fine but that super pda can do the basic things that a carpc can do with no problems. So why wouldn't it be given the same amount of respect that the carpc gets.

    On the Ipad I can do things that I can't on a so called carpc. I can't run trapster on a carpc and there are things I can do on a carpc I cant do on a Ipad but I am willing to live with that. So what I will say again is the only thing that stops the Ipad from being considered as a carpc is some of the things it lacks, when the pc came out it lacked a lot aswell but it all worked out. So give the Ipad the same chance you gave the first carpcs to prove itself in this role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGGKATT01 View Post
    blk02si the system In had in my truck was a what some of you call a carpc I purchased it from mo-co-so.com. So it wasn't a tower and it still had problems alot of problems. it would crash on a regular in the winter time it would take at least 15 min to start in the winterso I had a real carpc install. I just feel if one can find a better way to catch a mouse then fine.
    Honestly, I think you were one of the unlucky ones. I am so sorry that it didnt work for you. I will admit my first install was bad, constant blue screens of death, freezes and what not. This happened because I went with cheap slow hardware. I then bought a better mobo and it worked perfect. Then something happened (my fault) and the BIOS no longer worked and the serial ports acted stupid. I am now on a third mobo and I think this will be the final PC because I did lots of research before buying it. SSD may have solved you cold weather issues and Win 7 would have given you instant on with hybrid sleep.

    You see this is the point I am getting at Zx1cruizer, you are willing to call the system that are in the new fords a carpc what makes them so nothing you can n ot install any of your own software except for music files on it so under your own and someothers definition it's not a carpc. it's just a "super pda"

    If you would like to call the Ipad a super pda then fine but that super pda can do the basic things that a carpc can do with no problems. So why wouldn't it be given the same amount of respect that the carpc gets.
    That was an error on my part..... Its just that I dont know what to call the units they put into their cars. Technically, because they use Windows CE, I guess it also falls into the Car PDA format? May I even dare to say they use a contraption that is like a thin client PC, still not as much capability as a normal PC.

    I never said that it doesnt get respect. i think the ipad is an awesome device. I just dont feel it can out preform a car pc and many areas. I know in the past I have bashed the hell out of the ipad, but its because everyone has always said its better then a car pc and will kill the car pc. That basically hit my red alert button. I think the car pc will be alive way longer then the ipad. The ipad is just a fashion faze. I guess I just hate the ipad being in the same category as a car pc when it really isnt. Thats why I will never compare a car pc to a car pda ever again. They are two different devices, both have pros and cons. Both have similar things they do, they both get em done.

    On the Ipad I can do things that I can't on a so called carpc. I can't run trapster on a carpc and there are things I can do on a carpc I cant do on a Ipad but I am willing to live with that. So what I will say again is the only thing that stops the Ipad from being considered as a carpc is some of the things it lacks, when the pc came out it lacked a lot aswell but it all worked out. So give the Ipad the same chance you gave the first carpcs to prove itself in this role.
    Thats with any device. Just like the HTC Droid Incredible can do alot of what the iphone and ipad can do, but cant do certain things and vis versa. Well actually its a bad example because both are phones. You get what i mean though. I mean I cant compare ipad to a netbook, because it isnt. I netbook has more to it, while the ipad has less, like a pda.

    I will say this, the craze for the ipad in the car will go down. I dont think it will be killed 100%, but I dont think it will kill the car pc. Honestly I hope it does work out, people are doing awesome things with it. I also feel that the car pc will keep evolving, while the ipad will eventually get stuck. I guess that is something else that I hold against the ipad.
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    My turn

    I don't consider the ipad to be a car computer-- I see it as a great mobile device that could be installed in a car.. The ipad really falls into a grey area for me-- yes, with 4.0, it will be able to multitask, so there are certain features that will make it more desiresble later.

    I feel that the ipad is still quite limited in it's features compared to the "carpc" that we are used to, much like using a phone/mp3 player install--using either a phone, mp3 player,or ipad in a install will usually get you only a couple of features-- but these could be the only features you really want/need.

    I feel that the definition of a carpc is that it is capable of almost anything, and is only limited by the users wants and needs-- for instance, a phone/mp3player/ipad install could not handle my audio processing.

    I don't count a phone/mp3 player install as a carputer(I also wouldn't count a sync system as a carpc), and feel that the ipad falls into that type of install-- granted, it might be on the edge of the category, but I think it is still important to relize that you are still limited by the locked os, and app store.

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    A couple of thoughts here and I think what I'll do is start a thread title "iPad - Pro and Con for car use" that gives newbies the good and bad of the iPad.

    1. The iPad hardware is a full fledged tablet computer. It has a CPU, RAM, long term storage, a display and input devices. It is the software -in particular the operating system, that limits its functionality.

    2. Circumventing the OS to get additional functionality is not cheating any more than altering the registry or reverse engineering the .dll in software apps like Garmin Mobile. Altering hardware and hacking software to get additional functionality is at the heart of the hacking ethos.

    3. The base iPad price of $499 is a good value for a reasonably bright capacitive touchscreen device that includes a 10 hour battery, WiFi and Bluetooth radios and music/video playback and several hundred thousand apps.

    4. The iPad is not as capable as a standard Windows, Linux or OS X PC if the comparision is based on functionality. No question, a PC has more functionality and expandability.

    5. The iPad is dead simple to use and provides the big four apps that car PC users want - music, video, navigation, OBDII. It can also do email, text messaging, photos and web surfing.

    6. The iPad screen is glossy and reflective, which is not the right thing for the car. Get one of these and move on.

    7. The iPad won't kill the car PC but it has already changed the game. A LOT of newbies will be searching for ways to integrate it into their car and they are going to show up here. Should we welcome them or reject them and reduce our relevance because it's not a 'real' car PC?

    8. The current incarnation of the iPad has some real limitations to it for in car use but they aren't permanent. The main complaint -lack of multi-tasking, is addressed at least in part for the next version of the OS which will be here in the next 2 weeks. More features, add-ons and development will show up in the coming years including new hardware and accessories. But even what is already out there presents the possibility of building a nearly wireless system for your car -something that is interesting to many of us for obvious reasons.

    9. Other manufacturers are going to be spurred on by the success of the iPad. That means LOTS more innovation and an increasingly grey area between what a car PC is or is not. Rather than rejecting the idea that these devices will lower the bar for car computing (whatever that definition may be), let's welcome it. The field has been a bit stale in the hardware area lately, IMHO. This will shake things up.

    10. The iPad is what, two months old? Even with gen 1 of the Apple hardware, there are huge numbers of people writing software and also hacking on the hardware. That will extend to the other devices as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    The main complaint -lack of multi-tasking, is addressed at least in part for the next version of the OS which will be here in the next 2 weeks.
    Try 3 months at least. The iPad isn't getting iPhone OS4 till the fall.

    And using the term multi-tasking in conjunction with iPhone OS4 is debatable at best.

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    *controlled multitasking

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    well said bugbyte! in a pos/neg comparison, i think some of the things missing is the overall dimensions-- most of the lcd screens that most of use use are at least as thick, and half as big, and connections of the ipad-- 2 connections are absolutly required for long term use-- power, and audio, and a cig. lighter adapter would be fine(where a car pc cannot always be run from a cig adapter)..

    part of my hatred for the ipadcarpc is the change-- i hate change , and to call a single device like a ipad a carpc is large change from the pieced-together component systems that the forum has been so familiar with for so long. but, the possiblility of making a carpc easier for newbs is a huge plus over the component type systems...

    so i guess it is time for me to be as flexible as my hardware is

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