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    Only thing is, alot of stuff now uses a processor, RAM, long term storage and interface device. My phone has that, my Xbox 360 has that, and lots of other devices have that. Does that mean they are all computers? Basically the iPad is a Pocket PC with a large screen. I guess we can also say the PDA is now called the Pocket PC? So the iPad is a big PPC.
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    Yes they are all computers. Even your hi tech watch is a computer.
    The question is, is a car computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundman98 View Post
    My turn

    I don't consider the ipad to be a car computer-- I see it as a great mobile device that could be installed in a car.. The ipad really falls into a grey area for me-- yes, with 4.0, it will be able to multitask, so there are certain features that will make it more desiresble later.

    I feel that the ipad is still quite limited in it's features compared to the "carpc" that we are used to, much like using a phone/mp3 player install--using either a phone, mp3 player,or ipad in a install will usually get you only a couple of features-- but these could be the only features you really want/need.

    I feel that the definition of a carpc is that it is capable of almost anything, and is only limited by the users wants and needs-- for instance, a phone/mp3player/ipad install could not handle my audio processing.

    I don't count a phone/mp3 player install as a carputer(I also wouldn't count a sync system as a carpc), and feel that the ipad falls into that type of install-- granted, it might be on the edge of the category, but I think it is still important to relize that you are still limited by the locked os, and app store.

    I think I agree with most of what you said. I think it's odd to call an iPad a carputer/Carpc, if it's just hooked to the aux input in your OEM radio with a bungee cord.

    So yes, it should be called an iPad install in a car, not a carputer install in the strict sense. What it should be called? Autopad? iPadded?

    I like iPadded. iP-added, meaning truly added/installed, not just there, LOL.



    Oddly enough maybe it's a good thing for an iPad not to be a carputer, don't you have to agree?

    What I mean by that is that we cannot put aside all the Carpc shortcomings and leave them out of the carpc definition. We can't define as essential to the ipad something like "closed OS", "no multitasking" and conveniently forget or wish away all the carpc shortcomings.


    What shortcomings? They're all there in the forums. Display, GPS, hibernation, USB devices, soundcards. Even USB hubs can be problematic, and how much more simple they could be?

    From the last posts above it looks the main raison d'étre for a carputer forum is to "HOW TO LEARN TO ADD STUFF TO MY CARPC", instead, what we see more instead is "HELP ME FIX THIS S*%#". It's not like everybody has media and gps done, and are just adding cruise control or A/C control, etc. There are more posts related to basic hardware issues than anything else here.

    Of course we can assume if we want an ideal carpc and define a Carputer by it: windows 7+transflective+core2quad+4GB RAM+SSD+2TB storage+router+wifi+wwan+ 10 usb devices all booting/resuming in a few secs and working reliably for the past 6 months. But let's be realistic, this is not your typical Carpc.

    Real carputers have driver issues. An iPad will never have a driver issue. Real carputers can be tricky to hibernate and resume reliably. An iPad will hibernate and resume well 99.9% of the time - if not think about replacing it. Real carputer have power supply issues and battery/alternator concerns. An iPad will never have that kind of problem. And so on and so forth.



    My proposed definitions:

    Carputer: a computer built to be used and withstand use inside the car with an interface designed around the driver's needs and limitations. Mouse and keyboard are replaced by touchscreen, voice, remotes or other means. That means you need specific software to control it, called front ends. If you're lucky enough to have everything running after boot or resume, just tweak your front end and it will do everything you'll ever wanted. Except when not.

    Since most of it's parts were not designed to work together (despite clear technical standards, which are unfortunately however all written in plain English, a language most bios and driver programmers never heard about), failure and frequent maintenance is common and expected.

    A carputer owner should be it's own installer and support, or should be on-call as required 24h. He must acquire knowledge not only at the hardware level (i.e. usb, bios compatibility, which MB and RAM should be invited to the same party, etc.) but also at the software (driver, OS, and less frequently, front end) level.

    Generally each carputer is unique, blessed with unique functions which in turn generate it's unique problems. Everyone is always perfectly happy with their own installs, specially when it works.

    All carputers are unreliable, with no exception. The exceptions that prove the rule are about to be "upgraded" soon.


    iPad. A big tablet that can run and store more better faster software than the iPhone/iPod Touch cousins. The software can perform most used functions in a carpc - music and video playing, navigation and OBDII. It does not rely on physical connections for external control, wireless (bluetooth and wifi) is the only way it lets you go.


    Although they are all created equal, there are however two types of iPad. The jailbroken ones and the ones that are going to be jailbroken. Only the jailbroken ones are cool enough to be installed in a car.


    An iPad installed in a car be very cool. However, an iPad cannot be said to be installed in a car if you use bungee cords to fix it in a position where the driver can see it.

    The same goes if the passenger holds it for the driver to operate, no matter how steady he is (even rigor mortis steady). That means resting in an empty seat or left inside your "man purse" doesn't count either, even if the audio cable is long enough to plug it into the radio. That's not an install.

    Even if it's cool when installed, an Ipad is not a carpc, because there's a lot of things it can't do (for now, or never, like 5.1 sound, like ASIO drivers, etc.).
    But what we can't forget is that, OTOH, it's actually not a carputer because frankly it simply works too well at what it does to be a true carputer install.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX1Cruizer View Post
    Only thing is, alot of stuff now uses a processor, RAM, long term storage and interface device. My phone has that, my Xbox 360 has that, and lots of other devices have that. Does that mean they are all computers? Basically the iPad is a Pocket PC with a large screen. I guess we can also say the PDA is now called the Pocket PC? So the iPad is a big PPC.
    pretty much..

    i knew someone was going to post it...

    this is where i am really trying to keep a open mind-- the reality is that many people decided to build a carputer specifically for at least one or more features that were either not offered by any mass produced, reliable unit, or felt that they could build their own component-based system for cheaper, or make it perform better then a mass produced product.

    for some, their phone/mp3 player/ipad/etc. fits their needs perfectly, even if it is not a car computer-- and this leads to the dilemma-- these installs are not carpc's(duh), but have carpc-like features-- a ipad/iphone install would work fine for me if i didn't use audio processing-- all the features of the ipad/iphone are still above what i could ever need-- wifi, audio, apps, and gps.. but i built a carpc both for a different kind of project, and for the audio processing...

    even the install procedures are similar-- they still need power adapters, a amp, and can use external storage solutions-- same as what many use in their carpc's...

    for these non-component-based installs, i guess we are moving more into a digital-car era, where actual component-based setups are becoming less popular, because companies are finally starting to meet the needs of people on these forums.

    i am trying to view it as a good thing though. most of these installs still use many of the same parts, but only in a different way-- like bugbytes new carpc-less plan using a wireless access point, a sheeva plug, external drive, and ipod...

    so, is this change to be embraced, or told to go elsewhere?
    what makes a ipad install so different from a carpc install that they should not be posted here?

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    Both Ripplinghurst and Soundman98 make awesome points. The lines are being blurred. I will be the first to admit that having everything connect wirelessly and only having a thin device, amps and what not is very attractive. For me though component based was the only way for me to go. I do feel though that my countless hours, days, months, on here will give me a flawless PC in the end. I think Car PC and tech reliability have gotten so much better from when I first installed my PC. The only limitation may be the front ends..... I guess in the end we all will have to see how this all turns out. Everyone knows where I stand, I guess now I just have to prove the Car PC is better then the Car PPC.

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    When I hear man-purse, I remember this movie...After all, "Indiana Jones carried a satchel"...




    The perfect iPad carrier? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    When I hear man-purse, I remember this movie...After all, "Indiana Jones carried a satchel"...




    The perfect iPad carrier? LOL
    Zing!

    Seriously though, a dude I work with has a Prada man purse. He also wears Lucky Jeans to work, including when we're doing rigging/dirty environment ****.

    I've been on work travel all week... In the vegas airport right now catching a red eye home. Must... work... on... bezel... for... carputer/iPad

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    Any way any how to do 5.1 out?

    I could live with the limitations of the iPAD in the carpc, except one. Is there any way to get high quality audio and 5.1 out of it?

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    It should be possible, but it's not easy if you do not plug it into a computer...LOL.

    There's some videos where the guys from the first iPad install in a car tried to get optical out from the iPad (and if your files are 5.1 they should work) with no success, using some $180.00 iPhone dock (this one, Onkyo ND-S1).

    The iPad is out for one month, so I think eventually something like this will happen.

    However, my personal opinion is, you could keep your carputer JUST for high end audio (heck it may even become more reliable for that), and add an ipad for everything else.

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    Not straight out of the ipad you are only going to get stereo quality. Here are the specs

    H.264 video up to 720p, 30 frames per second, Main Profile level 3.1 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; Motion JPEG (M-JPEG) up to 35 Mbps, 1280 by 720 pixels, 30 frames per second, audio in ulaw, PCM stereo audio in .avi file format.
    You could use the ipad and the remote app to control your pc itunes, or the desktop with a VNC app. And run the 5.1 though your computer. Which would make it an expensive touch screen.

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