Thread: ipad build

ZX1Cruizer - you need a cf fanboy logo or something just as a warning for everyone

Obviously multi-touch is significantly safer then button based command/control. That was the whole reason behind openMobiles gesture system (and streetdecks before it). It comes down to this simple question.....whats easier to do without looking, touch any point on a screen and move a finger or press a specific point on a screen? Obviously just having to hit somewhere on the screen is both easier and safer. However, since multi-touch gestures can only do about 1% of the things you might need to do when driving its not a complete solution.

Now in an effort to bring this discussion back on track let me re-ask two big questions that I don't think i've seen an answer for:
1. If massive modification/fabrication to your dash and possibly engineering custom mounts is required, how does this make the iPad a good device for a basic install/beginner carPC? I'll also add, the whole mounts for the iPod are coming argument only works if they can work with any car and provide a safe and stable experience for the driver.
2. If we are agreeing that a carPC front end/app would need to be created in order to ensure it is safe to use when driving...what separates the ipad from dozens of other multi-touch tablets (which already can run carPC front ends)?

and....discuss

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@THEREALRAWPWR: nice find.....wow that didn't take long lol

I forget who said it, but your not limited to safari anymore on iphone.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/o...able-for-free/

Originally Posted by THEREALRAWPWR

Hey looka here gents.......... http://blog.mygazines.com/2010/03/24...-ipad-ereader/ AND THIS: http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/03/19/...ation-instead/ Oh, and I will keep my Carpc.

Very interesting. Price points were listed at E$449 (non 3G/GPS) and E$569 (3G/GPS) both 16GB. Didn't list cost of memory expansion. I'd love to learn more about this. How they integrated everything together will be the key. That's where we all know Apple excels, but this looks like a direct competitor.

Originally Posted by justchat_1

Now in an effort to bring this discussion back on track let me re-ask two big questions that I don't think i've seen an answer for:
1. If massive modification/fabrication to your dash and possibly engineering custom mounts is required, how does this make the iPad a good device for a basic install/beginner carPC? I'll also add, the whole mounts for the iPod are coming argument only works if they can work with any car and provide a safe and stable experience for the driver.
2. If we are agreeing that a carPC front end/app would need to be created in order to ensure it is safe to use when driving...what separates the ipad from dozens of other multi-touch tablets (which already can run carPC front ends)

1. Mounting solutions will be coming. The aftermarket hasn't let us down yet, it's just a lead/lag situation. I've already finished a design for a 2005-2007 Subaru Impreza/WRX/STi that will be a direct pop-in replacement for the OEM bezel. Prototypes shipped yesterday . A work log will be coming when it's ready.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has worked on solutions. It's hard to make an elegant looking universal solution, though, just because it doesn't fit in a double-din. VegasNate did about as universal a solution as you can do, but, honestly, I don't like the look of it. Great job on the A/V integration, not so much on the physical side.

2. The iPad is separated from all other multi-touch tablets because you're not using any tablet as just a carPC. If you want to talk pure "value," I'd give 30% weight to the carPC end, 70% weight to the out-of-car usage end. If you'd use it in different percentages, adjust accordingly. Then just divide up important functions that it/competitors have, rank how each performs on a 1-3 scale (1 bad, 3 good) and how important that feature is, and which ever comes out the highest you buy.

That may mean that two people ranking each function exactly the same do not buy the same product, as their distribution of in/out of car usage will be different. A 100% carPC iPad probably isn't going to win many battles. A 100% out of car competitor tablet likely isn't going to win many either.

So:

Ranking Importance on a 1-10 scale, with 30 being "must have" and 1 being "who cares"

In Car Experience - 30%

Code:

                 Importance    iPad   Competitor  CarPC
Battery Life        (1)         3         2         1
Multi Touch         (5)         3         2         1
Multi Tasking       (10)        1         2         3
App Store           (7)         2         1         3
Storage Space       (7)         1         2         3
Front End           (10)        1.5       1.5       3
External Connections (9)        1         2         3
Display Quality     (10)        3         2         1
Display Size        (9)         3         2         1
Price               (5)         2         3         1
Start-up Time       (5)         3         2         1
---------------------------------------------
Total SUM(Importance * rank/3) 51.66     49.66     54.66

Out of Car Experience

Code:

                 Importance    iPad   Competitor  CarPC
Battery Life        (10)        3         2         1
Multi Touch         (10)        3         2         1
Multi Tasking       (10)        2         3         1
App Store           (8)         3         2         1
Storage Space       (10)        2         3         1
Front End           (1)         2         3         1
External Connections (5)        2         3         1
Display Quality     (10)        3         2         1
Display Size        (9)         3         2         1
Price               (5)         2         3         1
Start-up Time       (8)         3         2         1
---------------------------------------------
Total SUM(Importance * rank/3) 75.66     67.66     28.66

Total Scores:
iPad: 51.66 * (30%) + 75.66 * (70%) = 68.466
Competitor: 49.66 * (30%) + 67.66 * (70%) = 62.26
CarPC: 54.66 * (30%) + 28.66 * (70%) = 36.46

Before you go all ranty on me, this was just an example. Obviously you dont' buy a carPC to use out of the car. But you do buy a tablet to use in/out of the car. Adjust the weights to 100% in-car and 0% out-of-car and obviously the carPC is the clear winner.

I'd be interested to see people add in more "features" categories and adjust weights to their personal preferences.

Here is another ....... junior. > http://www.notionink.in/adamoverview.php

Originally Posted by THEREALRAWPWR

Hey looka here gents.......... http://blog.mygazines.com/2010/03/24...-ipad-ereader/ AND THIS: http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/03/19/...ation-instead/ Oh, and I will keep my Carpc.

Now THAT has some serious potential. The fact that it's running an intel Atom tells me that it won't be long before we see windows/other linux distros running on it (hopefully).

Running Android will definitely give the iPad a run for it's money, but the customization that might be possible is what I'm excited about. Different Android builds for different situations, the possibility to replace Android completely with something else, etc.

Originally Posted by THEREALRAWPWR

Hey looka here gents.......... http://blog.mygazines.com/2010/03/24...-ipad-ereader/ AND THIS: http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/03/19/...ation-instead/ Oh, and I will keep my Carpc.

Well, there you go. It has more features, multi-tasks, is open and has a bigger screen. That answers everyone's mail except for the all-in-one repair or upgrade issue.

Since this is better in every respect, we ought to see it soundly crush the iPad in no time since what people want is more features and value for their money.

Originally Posted by Bugbyte

Well, there you go. It has more features, multi-tasks, is open and has a bigger screen. That answers everyone's mail except for the all-in-one repair or upgrade issue.

Since this is better in every respect, we ought to see it soundly crush the iPad in no time since what people want is more features and value for their money.

The second sentence sounds really sarcastic, but also could be serious? I'm torn.

I think it'd make a great competitor for the iPad and would be psyched to play with one for a while. "Crushing" means market dominance which means exposure, marketing, and generally the PR that Apple is known for pushing. In our market, though, a definite win.

Originally Posted by Pervitizm

Well here is part 2 of that install. They made it removable and you can't use the digital out with the Audison BitOne processor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsvog8tb8dc

So as I said elsewhere, pretty hard to get optical from the iPhone. But it is possible! They uses this Onkyo unit.



You can see on the video the unit completely hacked. Good job there. EDIT: Here is the thing inside. Pretty good reviews, it apparently bypasses the iTouch/iPhone meak internal DAC:

the dock on the Onkyo ND-S1 Digital Media Transport can tap directly into the digital files stored on an iPod thereby bypassing the player's DAC and amplifier so they can be decoded elsewhere.

(source)


I wonder why is does not work with the iPad since they have the same connector? One would expect (as they did on the first video), that the audio pin or whatever on the iPhone would be the same on the Ipad, etc. Guess they were wrong.

That means that all accesories I have for the iPhone won't work? Humm. I wonder if the $50.00 Apple AV cable would work (that's what I was planning to use if I buy one), but now I think it won't. Apple greed anyone?

Even some old iPod cables won't work with the iPhone (this device is not compatible message appears, no charging, etc.) but since they run the same OS, they should be more equal. Bugger.

I really don't want to use that stereo plug up top, I'd like a direct connection to a dock, to provide extra video output for the back row passengers (even if the same feed).

Originally Posted by RipplingHurst

I really don't want to use that stereo plug up top, I'd like a direct connection to a dock, to provide extra video output for the back row passengers (even if the same feed).

The dock has a 30 pin out and a stereo out. No optical, unfortunately. From the 30 pin out just hook up the VGA adapter and run a splitter off of that to your back row displays. Audio out of the stereo jack. Nothing's out the top.