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    You mean the iPad dock has an analog stereo out AND a 30pin out bypass? Good, but I thought I could use the AV cable instead. But if it has a 30pinout bypass so that I can hook another thing, that's good, if that's what you're saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    You mean the iPad dock has an analog stereo out AND a 30pin out bypass? Good, but I thought I could use the AV cable instead. But if it has a 30pinout bypass so that I can hook another thing, that's good, if that's what you're saying.
    That is what I'm saying. The dock has 2 outputs - 30 pin and Stereo Line out.

    What's important is getting a 30 pin splitter or hacking up the 30 pin connector to get power in. Ideally you'd have 1 of the 30 pins going to your PSU and 1 of the 30 pins going to a 30pin-VGA converter to get signal to your rear monitors... or just hack up the 30 pin to VGA and get power in through there as well.

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    But the dock has no power input? How do people charge those things? Another dock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    But the dock has no power input? How do people charge those things? Another dock?
    It gets power over the 30 pin connector. Normally you plug your USB - 30 pin into it. USB sends [+V +Data -Data GND]. That +V and GND link up with the 30 pin to put power into your dock ---> iPad.

    If you use the 30 pin for power, thsi is all done seamlessly. If you use your 30 pin to get video out to the other displays, that's what I was talking about needing to cut open the 30 pin to VGA adapter, locate which pins are the +V and GND on the 30 pin, and splice in your power there.

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    I know that you can charge it via USB, but when docked, they could have easily added a dedicated power plug, like some aftermarket iPhone docks?

    Not sure I'd like to splice such thin wires...maybe video can wait until I find a better dock elsewhere.

    But if one uses the 30 pin for power only, how could one connect accessories while charging, like a usb drive or whatever? I guess Apple assumes too much here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    I know that you can charge it via USB, but when docked, they could have easily added a dedicated power plug, like some aftermarket iPhone docks?

    Not sure I'd like to splice such thin wires...maybe video can wait until I find a better dock elsewhere.

    But if one uses the 30 pin for power only, how could one connect accessories while charging, like a usb drive or whatever? I guess Apple assumes too much here.
    Yeah I'm with ya. Dock should have optical audio out + dedicated power. You're limited to 1 function with the 30 pin (Camera, vid out, or charging, I guess) as it stands.

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    True, and thanks for your input.

    I think Apple does not put an optical out because that could be an avenue for bit perfect copies from the iTunes library, bypassing ACC copy protection schemes without even breaking the law?

    In the end, I want to see how to attach my 640GB USB drive to it. Will iTunes read it and will it work? Are there any other media players in the app store? Maybe I could test this with my iPhone right now.

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    Interesting update, just released:

    http://www.9to5mac.com/iphone-auto-car-kit-32507532

    A TUAW reader posts the following video stating that a new interface found in iPhone OS 4 allows for navigation that would be optimized for automobile use.

    Our source says that information bundled into the application shows that Apple intends this new "iPod out" functionality to be used in automobiles using the iPod Accessory Protocol (IAP). Hints as to this use are found in strings within the application itself. These strings include IAPSimpleRemoteCarButtonNotification and IAPSimpleRemoteCarButtonTypeKey.

    Also found were frameworks (kCTCallStatusChangeNotification) which would handle call routing. From the interface.

    This might also be freaking awesome for the iPad as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGGKATT01 View Post
    Maybe that's the way he wants and likes it just like you have your system set up in a way that you like it, I don't think it's up to us to decide what's best for him he did it his way.

    All I can say is that both installs are fine as long as they are comfortable with them to each his own, there installs are no more complicated then any other who just have carpcs unless you have a all in one indash carpc other wise all carpcs are difficult installs, installing the display to running all the wires, be it Ipad or regular carpc it all entails hacking your car up.

    it is nice to see it in a vehicle and implemented you can hate the idea or not I believe it has great potential as a basic in car system.
    Yea but the whole point that this thread is trying to make is that the iPad is easy to install. In actuality it isn't!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jr4284 View Post
    Very interesting. Price points were listed at E$449 (non 3G/GPS) and E$569 (3G/GPS) both 16GB. Didn't list cost of memory expansion. I'd love to learn more about this. How they integrated everything together will be the key. That's where we all know Apple excels, but this looks like a direct competitor.



    1. Mounting solutions will be coming. The aftermarket hasn't let us down yet, it's just a lead/lag situation. I've already finished a design for a 2005-2007 Subaru Impreza/WRX/STi that will be a direct pop-in replacement for the OEM bezel. Prototypes shipped yesterday . A work log will be coming when it's ready.
    I'm sure I'm not the only one who has worked on solutions. It's hard to make an elegant looking universal solution, though, just because it doesn't fit in a double-din. VegasNate did about as universal a solution as you can do, but, honestly, I don't like the look of it. Great job on the A/V integration, not so much on the physical side.

    2. The iPad is separated from all other multi-touch tablets because you're not using any tablet as just a carPC. If you want to talk pure "value," I'd give 30% weight to the carPC end, 70% weight to the out-of-car usage end. If you'd use it in different percentages, adjust accordingly. Then just divide up important functions that it/competitors have, rank how each performs on a 1-3 scale (1 bad, 3 good) and how important that feature is, and which ever comes out the highest you buy.

    That may mean that two people ranking each function exactly the same do not buy the same product, as their distribution of in/out of car usage will be different. A 100% carPC iPad probably isn't going to win many battles. A 100% out of car competitor tablet likely isn't going to win many either.

    So:

    Ranking Importance on a 1-10 scale, with 30 being "must have" and 1 being "who cares"

    In Car Experience - 30%
    Code:
                     Importance    iPad   Competitor  CarPC
    Battery Life        (1)         3         2         1
    Multi Touch         (5)         3         2         1
    Multi Tasking       (10)        1         2         3
    App Store           (7)         2         1         3
    Storage Space       (7)         1         2         3
    Front End           (10)        1.5       1.5       3
    External Connections (9)        1         2         3
    Display Quality     (10)        3         2         1
    Display Size        (9)         3         2         1
    Price               (5)         2         3         1
    Start-up Time       (5)         3         2         1
    ---------------------------------------------
    Total SUM(Importance * rank/3) 51.66     49.66     54.66
    Out of Car Experience
    Code:
                     Importance    iPad   Competitor  CarPC
    Battery Life        (10)        3         2         1
    Multi Touch         (10)        3         2         1
    Multi Tasking       (10)        2         3         1
    App Store           (8)         3         2         1
    Storage Space       (10)        2         3         1
    Front End           (1)         2         3         1
    External Connections (5)        2         3         1
    Display Quality     (10)        3         2         1
    Display Size        (9)         3         2         1
    Price               (5)         2         3         1
    Start-up Time       (8)         3         2         1
    ---------------------------------------------
    Total SUM(Importance * rank/3) 75.66     67.66     28.66
    Total Scores:
    iPad: 51.66 * (30%) + 75.66 * (70%) = 68.466
    Competitor: 49.66 * (30%) + 67.66 * (70%) = 62.26
    CarPC: 54.66 * (30%) + 28.66 * (70%) = 36.46

    Before you go all ranty on me, this was just an example. Obviously you dont' buy a carPC to use out of the car. But you do buy a tablet to use in/out of the car. Adjust the weights to 100% in-car and 0% out-of-car and obviously the carPC is the clear winner.

    I'd be interested to see people add in more "features" categories and adjust weights to their personal preferences.
    I think its a bad example. No rant today, lol.

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    Hey looka here gents.......... http://blog.mygazines.com/2010/03/24...-ipad-ereader/ AND THIS: http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/03/19/...ation-instead/ Oh, and I will keep my Carpc.
    OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, now that is a Car PC alternative. Why couldnt have Apple done the same thing?
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