Thread: ipad build

Originally Posted by aychamo

Ohhhh, a Mac vs. PC fight.

I've used basically every iteration of Windows, and a few years back I switched to Mac. Thank Darwin/God/Etc that I did. Mac OS is so vastly superior to that piece of garbage called Windows. I almost believe that Mac users are enlightened.

Its not a Mac VS PC fight. Its a iPhone/iPad vs Car PC fight.

Originally Posted by BIGGKATT01

I would just like to ask why some on this forum always has to call the users of Apple products fanboys. Do the Apple users call anyone who uses Microsoft products Windows fanboys why does it always have to be this way, I used microsoft products for years and I always would bad mouth Apple's And Mac's until I was given my first PowerMac as a present, the experience was night and day I found that in many ways Mac's and Osx were superior to the Windows Os.

On the last windows machine I had, even though I had antivirus software on my system at Least once a month I was having to get rid of a virus at least 10 times a month the system was freezing at least 2 times a month I was getting the dreaded bluescreen of death.

I am not in anyway saying Mac's are supercomputers but I can say as a Windows pc user since 1988 ( in high School ) until December of 2008 I find the Powermac that my eldest daughter gave me for Christmas is the best computer that I have used to date I will never ever go back to Windows for any reason, there is a reason why Apple is gaining market share and consumers are purshasing Mac's after being pc users for years they have found once they try it and get used to it, it is a way better user experience.

Let's take the Ipod and Iphone for example, when the Ipod hit the street there were plenty of hand held media players out but the consumer said the Ipod was better, you can't debate this fact sales don't lie, when the Iphone hit the street Nokia, Palm and Windows mobile were already on the street, But the consumer said I want this phone. The Ceo of Microsoft even laughed at the Iphone saying " No one is going to pay $500 dollars for a phone mark my words Microsoft offers a better user experience" well 3 years later and millions of consumers have proven his comment to be idiotic and stupid for Microsoft to laugh at this phone.

You can say about Apple what you want yes they lock down there products yes they are expensive but what I would expect at least from the members of this forum would be a little respect for a persons choice of what they buy, calling a person a fanboy is really getting tired, it sounds like there's a lot of jealousy because lately everything Apple is putting out is selling like gold, I don't see the lines when Microsoft comes out with a phone or new computer the lines are there because the consumer respects the products they respect the quality of Apple's products and they know that they won't have to spend all of there spare time doing is reinstalling there Os because it has crapped out on them.

I can understand you voicing your opinion about the products but don't hate on it's customers, Apple users could say the same thing about Windows fanboys why stick with a product that you have to reinstall several times because it doesn't run stable but Apple users don't do that they just say if you like Windows and those problems than ok, but to keep calling Apple Mac's users fanboys is like I said getting tired. Just my 2 cents

Windows 7 is stable. Never had to reinstall that. You are misunderstanding the term Apple fan boy. A Apple fan boy is someone who defends and over exaggerates an Apple product. Thats all it is point blank. Why dont people say Microsoft fan boys, because when a MS product comes out, we dont say things like, OMG its going to make Car PC so much better, even though it cant multitask, doesnt have USB ports, doesnt have supperior audio, has limited drive space, but its still better then a Car PC that can do all the things I just listed. Thats an fan boy, willing to defend a product even if its cr@p. I have already said that OSX is a good OS, so its not like I am bashing Apple on all fronts.

Originally Posted by malcom2073

Not all do, and yes some do. The ones you generally hear about though use those terms, so they're the terms commonly associated with it.


Generally when I use the term fanboy (either apple for microsoft) I'm talking about someone who blindly uses something because of a brand, ignoring features/cost/comparable products.

I see a fan boy as someone that does what you said, then when confronted does and says anything to defend that product. Things like well if you jail break it. Oh its going to make Car PC so much easier.

The whole idea of a car pc is to grow the system, push all boundries, not throw some pretty oversized iPod Touch and claim you have a Car PC now.

Originally Posted by ZX1Cruizer

Why dont people say Microsoft fan boys,

For what it's worth, Microsoft has its share of fan boys, as does Linux.

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."

While I don't necessarily think you have to like all things, when confronted with a proven downside to a product, one should be able to accept that as fact, and move on.

Fan Boy (n) Technocratic zealots; evangelicals of geekery. Characterized by irrational advocacy of a particular OS, console, company, or franchise.

Exhibit A:

Originally Posted by aychamo

Ohhhh, a Mac vs. PC fight.

I've used basically every iteration of Windows, and a few years back I switched to Mac. Thank Darwin/God/Etc that I did. Mac OS is so vastly superior to that piece of garbage called Windows. I almost believe that Mac users are enlightened.

This is a discussion of the merits and shortcomings of an iPad as an in-car infotainment system. This was in no way an osx verse Microsoft debate (in fact it had nothing to do with either os). If you would like to spew nonsense please find somewhere else to do it. Arguing your own superiority while proving your own ignorance is only funny with the first post.

now...

to turn this around a little--it is getting way too windows vs. mac here..- the ipad starts at $500, what does it do that a aftermarket head unit--by any brand, cannot do that could make it superior?

so far, all i got is wifi/3g, and multitouch, everything else, the aftermarket units do and integrate better into the car(most are 1 or 2 din packages--that most people can install wil minimal dash changes)... most with a FE designed better for the mobile environment.

Originally Posted by soundman98

to turn this around a little--it is getting way too windows vs. mac here..- the ipad starts at $500, what does it do that a aftermarket head unit--by any brand, cannot do that could make it superior?

so far, all i got is wifi/3g, and multitouch, everything else, the aftermarket units do and integrate better into the car(most are 1 or 2 din packages--that most people can install wil minimal dash changes)... most with a FE designed better for the mobile environment.

In a word, Apps.

They've been the lynchpin of the iPhone's success, and I'd be shocked if it's not the same for the iPad. Every app is designed with a touch interface, so when something new comes out, you very easily (and affordably) go to the App Store, click a button, and you're up and running something that's made to be touched.

Originally Posted by malcom2073

The ipad takes 15 seconds to boot, hardly instant on. That being said, it supports standby which is almost instant on (1-2 seconds)

The initial boot is only to set-up the device.

In everyday situations, it is less than 1 second. The machine never shuts down. Like the iPhone, the iPad is instant on.

I have an iPad since launch day (work supplied for me to evaluate). It is instantly on when I press it. I also get more than 10 hours of hard use. Read any of the reviews - USToday, WSJ, NYTimes, everyone is getting more than 10 hours of real usage.

I let my son play w/ it. I had a bunch of Thomas videos and it streamed off the my server via wifi playing H.264 for 5-6 hours. I still had 60% battery usage. So it was using wifi, full brightness decoding HD video.

That is impressive.

You don't even need storage. Just put everything up on a server and let Safari handle the playback.

Originally Posted by jr4284

In a word, Apps.

They've been the lynchpin of the iPhone's success, and I'd be shocked if it's not the same for the iPad. Every app is designed with a touch interface, so when something new comes out, you very easily (and affordably) go to the App Store, click a button, and you're up and running something that's made to be touched.

alright, i'll bite

what apps are useable in the car, by the driver, while it is motion?

games aren't, books aren't, maybe gps, and music?

Originally Posted by jr4284

In a word, Apps.

They've been the lynchpin of the iPhone's success, and I'd be shocked if it's not the same for the iPad. Every app is designed with a touch interface, so when something new comes out, you very easily (and affordably) go to the App Store, click a button, and you're up and running something that's made to be touched.

Like soundman said....I think there is a very important distinction to be made here. Just because an app can be used on a touch screen does not mean its suitable for in car use. The design goals are completely opposite. An iphone/ipad application is designed to immerse the user in an interface, form over function. A carPC plugin/fe/etc is designed to be used while traveling at high speed down a highway with minimal distraction and maximum functionality.

Originally Posted by soundman98

alright, i'll bite

what apps are useable in the car, by the driver, while it is motion?

games aren't, books aren't, maybe gps, and music?

yea but not at the same time

another big distinction that has been made before-- the icon size-- i think that the enitire ipad would be a much more viable idea if apple even just allowed the icon size to be made larger.

on the main screen, there is a huge amount of wasted space for a couple of icons, that otherwise could have been made very driver-friendly..

and, as has been said before, the entire design of the interface requires the users captive attention-- something that a product should not ever have in the mobile environment.

overall, i am against the idea of the ipad in cars, at least until the ui is designed better to not require the users captive attention to use... but that is an opinion that can change, so feel free to convince me