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    Quote Originally Posted by krillin47 View Post
    So, help me out here, what is the first part of this that I should demo to get some feedback on? I don't have any access to odb-ii stuff yet, so it would have to be something that the ipad can already do.
    Honestly for me it would be the media player and the gps and maybe internet browsing

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    You should start with the media player, and the ability to display lyrics, read id3 tags with lyrics and album arts, links, etc.

    A good music functionality list that needs big font/buttons is on the soundhog app. Very cool app.

    Please, don't do gauges, not speedo at least, I take it most of us have a speedo/odometer, bugbyte? (What did you do with yours? LOL I got to check your install more...). If you want a track day inspired more accurate speedo you would need a 5/10hz gps that the iPad does not have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    Please, don't do gauges, not speedo at least, I take it most of us have a speedo/odometer, bugbyte? (What did you do with yours? LOL I got to check your install more...). If you want a track day inspired more accurate speedo you would need a 5/10hz gps that the iPad does not have?
    Nah, it's duplicative. I'm not hard over on a guage requirement. I just run that app when I have music going because I don't have any other app that shows anything useful and GPS speed has a google map built in.

    Point of that layout is you have an upper and lower area that can do different things. I'd even campaign for something like an upper "info center" that can do stuff like inform you that you have an email and read it to you, pull down a twitter or rss feed and read it, put the lyrics up there, maybe hvac controls.

    And if you're OBDII, then it would display OBDII info there. Maybe a temperature gauge, fuel level, mpg, etc. The weather forecast could rotate through there as well.

    I like having 'stuff' displayed when I drive. There's so much you can get off the web and in your car that is relevant to your trip that it seems like there ought to be a place to put it on your screen.
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    I had obdII in my car, but it was a waste of money. Most interesting thing I could display was air intake temp. It's cool to clear error codes, but that's it. It's a long way towards being useful IMHO, specially since my car has bar graph double trip computers, fuel management etc. I really wanted to like it, but it's too generic in its current form.

    But I agree with your idea of an info center in part of the screen. Lot's of stuff you can pull from the web, twitters, news, facebook, email, etc.

    I went to LA last week, and during the 5h drive, wife could launch wiki local and tell me about wherever we were. For instance, ever wonder what farm is that? What they grow? You can pull the complete history of that, including gold mines info, famous characters, etc. Same thing with parks, reservoir, restaurant ratings, where some curious mountain pass goes, etc.

    Having the web in the car is awesome. You got to use it creatively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    I went to LA last week, and during the 5h drive, wife could launch wiki local and tell me about wherever we were. For instance, ever wonder what farm is that? What they grow? You can pull the complete history of that, including gold mines info, famous characters, etc. Same thing with parks, reservoir, restaurant ratings, where some curious mountain pass goes, etc.

    Having the web in the car is awesome. You got to use it creatively.
    I've had this same idea. An OSDash service that is tracking your location could surf the web based on your location and send you audio/pics of things that are local to you if you wanted it to. They could be read to you if you wanted.

    Other stuff like traffic or speed cam info would also be interesting. It just takes some imagination to come up with this stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krillin47 View Post
    I agree, I think a help screen is great, but I'll have to see how to do gesture drawing recognition.

    So, help me out here, what is the first part of this that I should demo to get some feedback on? I don't have any access to odb-ii stuff yet, so it would have to be something that the ipad can already do.
    krillin,

    Let me first say that I admire you for working on an iPad app. To be honest, I feel that putting a whole computer in car is antiquated. Tablets, specifically the iPad, is where things should be heading.

    You ask where to start. Well, start with the music player! Don't even worry about graphics now. It's too easy to spend 4 hours trying to get a button to look correct, instead of spending that four hours writing the music module. You gotta get the core working first, and then the interface will sometimes design itself.

    Don't even think about the OBDII stuff now. Get music working right, and then all media playback. Then perhaps viewing photos, GPS, etc. But don't try to tackle it all at once.

    I wholeheartedly agree with BugByte. You are programming for an iPad, so take advantage of its features. Gestures are huge. The whole iPad is driven by them, so definitely integrate them into the app. Swipes for previous song, next song, etc are great. And don't forget that you can use two-finger swipes, and all that great stuff for more options (I love how the Mirror's Edge game uses a two-finger swipe down to pause the game, would work for music too.)

    And, when it comes time for the interface, I guess keep in mind that it's being built for an Apple product, so the interface should be simple, beautiful, and not cluttered with buttons.

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    Maybe a visualizer for the music. Even something basic like an EQ set of bar graphs would be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    I've had this same idea. An OSDash service that is tracking your location could surf the web based on your location and send you audio/pics of things that are local to you if you wanted it to. They could be read to you if you wanted.

    Other stuff like traffic or speed cam info would also be interesting. It just takes some imagination to come up with this stuff.

    Exactly. Think about it, there are people out there who are doing trips with their ipad packed in a case somewhere. Something like this done right could be a great showcase for the app, for people who never thought about using the iPad in the car before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    Maybe a visualizer for the music. Even something basic like an EQ set of bar graphs would be nice.
    Yes, that would be a cool standout feature too. I like how Soundhog can listen to what song is currently playing (even by the ipad itself, whatever source) and then it can display lyrics and more importantly, a youtube videoclip. Too bad by then if you click on the youtube video it will be out of sync or with inferior audio quality, but it would be cool to have the option to mute the audio (so you can use your own high quality mp3) and use the youtube video as the "visualization" in a small window (that could go full screen if double tapped).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    You should start with the media player, and the ability to display lyrics, read id3 tags with lyrics and album arts, links, etc.

    A good music functionality list that needs big font/buttons is on the soundhog app. Very cool app.
    Couldn't agree more with this. PLEASE, make the music player work like iTunes/iPod. Pause/Play, Next, Previous, etc. should be consistent with the way the iPad iPod app implements the controls. Artist/song/album/album art information is the primary reason I put in my carputer. A good display with big buttons and easily changed meta display is really important to me. All music screens/modes should have song navigation buttons.

    Please, don't do gauges, not speedo at least, I take it most of us have a speedo/odometer, bugbyte? (What did you do with yours? LOL I got to check your install more...). If you want a track day inspired more accurate speedo you would need a 5/10hz gps that the iPad does not have?
    Don't really care about gauges, there are other apps that do this and after iOS 4.2 comes out we can switch among apps to get what we need. A solid, functional music front end with big buttons is my main wish. Thanks for taking the effort.
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    I definitely agree with having different areas on the screen that are user defined for different tasks or information. Because not everyone is going to have a Sheeva Plug or OBDII info. As far as the design, I would look at SoundHound. It has different areas with different info, it has voice control, lyrics, YouTube videos, quick and easy media navigation, and a good basis for a layout:



    Another great app to look at is Leech Tunes, it has a good way of setting up user preferences and great layout to display album info and images:



    And as you can see on the bottom right corner, it has a little circle that takes you to the settings, finds the youtube video of the currently playing song, and lets you define which gestures do what:



    Another thing that would be nice is blending in your music and video library from this front end and pinching out to take full screen on videos. So, kind of like Soundhound, you can divide it into five sections. Now playing on top for music and ipod, controls on the left, the main information on the middle right for album art and GPS, and bottom right for more additional information pertaining to whats on the middle right. And also, to better utilize the space, have overlaying buttons for settings similar to the approach taken by Leech Tunes. So it would work a little like modules for a website. If you have other functions that you see as more important like OBDII or Sheeva Plug info, you can go into settings and tell it to take area 1, 2 3, 4, 5 and let the user decide what layout to display.... Just some ideas. And of course some of the important must have functions are: to pause media and lock screen when it's not charging, and global functions to set TV Out status for external monitors and Screen Dim times, and Tethering, etc.

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