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    I'm a n00b to the car side of things, but have been involved in digital audio in a hi-fi context for a while.

    Surely if the source media is fixed then the variables in quality come down to the DAC, the cabling on the analogue side of things and the amp/speaker combination.

    I get much better results on audio with my cheap VideoLogic SonicXPlosion than I got on good SoundBlaster cards, simply because I connected it digitally to a Yamaha receiver and let that do the conversion.

    In a car context, I know at least one company (Pioneer) make a digital car amplifier and head units with digital out so assuming the DAC in the amp is decent and that the amp itself is decent then going down that route you could probably get better results with the onboard SP/DIF converter than with an Audigy using analogue out. You may be able to split the digital signall and avoid having analogue cable runs working their way to the back of your car and picking up interference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edscholl
    that is absolutely NOT the point if you're into SQ! SQ, from a purely technical perspective, is ALL about accurately reproducing the sound of your source.
    Ah...I think you are overlooking the fact that a sound system doesn't end at the HU.

    If the source was PERFECTLY reproduced at the HU, then output to whatever amps and speakers you had in your car you would not even place in a SQ competition.

    (Maybe you would get a special pink ribbon for "Best Line Out Performance." Yippee, congratulations.)

    Sorry, but the reality is that tuning, tweaking, and processing are performed to compensate for deficiencies in amps and speakers (and speaker boxes) and the defects in the non-studio environment of the common automobile.

    Ultimately, you want the final sound that comes out of the speakers to represent the sound of the source. Most of us can't actually hear what comes directly out of the HU (or preamp, or PC). Maybe you have special powers.

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    lateott is exactly right!

    no matter how much you spend or how advanced the technology, you will never reproduce EXACTLY what comes off of that CD......that's what makes this fun, what makes this an involved sport!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red GTi VR6
    lateott is exactly right!

    no matter how much you spend or how advanced the technology, you will never reproduce EXACTLY what comes off of that CD......that's what makes this fun, what makes this an involved sport!
    Thanks for your comments Red GTi!

    The funny thing is, if we want to get really deep and philosophical about this, when it comes down to it, the SOURCE is usually an imperfect reproduction of reality. Think about it. Whether you're listening to classical orchestra, classic rock, R&B or gagsta rap, the studio recording and CD (a flat, shiny disc) is trying to capture a live performance of something.

    Rather than simply reproduce whatever the the flat shiny disc has captured, it is often desirable to expand beyond that and actually reproduce the sound of the original performance and venue. We know that is the case in home theaters with surround processing, and in computer gaming and other applications where we are moving users further from the "observer" role and more to the "participant" role when it comes to audio (and video, of course).

    But as far as the original post goes, the question was whether a PC could match a HU for sound quality. I think the answer is definitely yes, especially when your consider the ability to process the sound for any desired effect.

    The advantages HU's have is that they are dedicated devices engineered for reproducing sound whereas computers are more generic devices engineered to do a lot of things. If you have decent sound hardware in your carputer, it all comes down to software. But I have no doubt that with the proper software and hardware a carputer can out perform a HU.

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    for instance:

    a few years ago, the SONG for USACi SQ was Hotel California by The Eagles, as it was sung off of the DVD of their live performance....

    those who reproduced that scene most accurately AND had quality installs, were those who won....

    =]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red GTi VR6
    for instance:

    a few years ago, the SONG for USACi SQ was Hotel California by The Eagles, as it was sung off of the DVD of their live performance....

    those who reproduced that scene most accurately AND had quality installs, were those who won....

    =]
    A perfect example!

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    Speaking of Soundblaster PCI-cards...

    I know there are alot of us here using the M10000-boards so here I go again:
    has anybody actually gotten their Soundblaster cards to function on the M10000-board?

    I know I have tried all the SB-driver patches to make the PCI-card work the VIA-boards without any luck.
    I have tried the KXProject drivers but I can get these to work either...

    /l-O

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    Quote Originally Posted by loscooby
    Speaking of Soundblaster PCI-cards...

    I know there are alot of us here using the M10000-boards so here I go again:
    has anybody actually gotten their Soundblaster cards to function on the M10000-board?

    I know I have tried all the SB-driver patches to make the PCI-card work the VIA-boards without any luck.
    I have tried the KXProject drivers but I can get these to work either...

    /l-O
    I have never had problems with sound blasters. Although I avoid VIA like the police.

    [Edit]: Changed "fire" to "the police"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0l33l
    You can do all this with the kXProject for creative sounds cards. No USB support though. I wouldn't want to hog the USB bus anyway with audio.
    Is there any other program that will do the same thing??? this program is only for E-mu and creative soundcards.
    The problem is that i have a ESI waverterminal 192L (http://www.esi-pro.com/viewProduct.php?pid=5&page=1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlerBaby
    Is there any other program that will do the same thing??? this program is only for E-mu and creative soundcards.
    The problem is that i have a ESI waverterminal 192L (http://www.esi-pro.com/viewProduct.php?pid=5&page=1)
    No clue

    Probably there is one, but it will suck up CPU cycles. I think that the kXProject uses hardware to do the processing.

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