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    No one can make that decision for you. On board would never cross my mind for analogue audio but for others on here it's perfectly fine. It's all up to you and your standards in audio.

    Also, the kind of board has no bearing on whether you should use a PCI or a USB sound card other than if the board has a PCI card slot or not. The decision is yours on which one to go with. Do you have room in your case for a PCI card? Of the two solutions (PCI and USB) which one gives you the best solution to YOUR needs, not OUR needs.
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    USB would be a bit better as the PCI is a tight fit, but looking at some USB audios they are 2 channel simple things.

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    I really wanted a minimal of 5 out en 3 in, and it should go low, specs 20 Hz - 20 KHz, and no extra powersupply needed. The 20 Hz is also what my head used to do, so i haven finaly chosen the mixvibes U46MK2.
    http://www.clubxtrem.net/modules/myl...it.php?lid=747
    I think its the same as the esi U46DJ
    http://www.esi-audio.com/products/u46dj/

    and for € 188,- it will be on my doorstep.

    Yesterday (23-8-2007) the post brought it

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    Durwood, please add this to the list... (and reformat if necessary)

    • E-MU 1820m ($450)

    Technical Specifications

    General Sample Rates: 44.1, 48, 96, 192kHz from internal crystal or externally supplied clock (no sample rate conversion)
    - Bit Depths: 24-bit I/O, 32-bit processing
    - PCI 2.2 Compliant
    - Form Factor: Universal Keyed, Short PCI Card
    - 3.3V I/O, 5V Tolerant
    - PCI Bus-Mastering DMA subsystem reduces CPU usage
    - E-MUŽ E-DSP™ 32-bit DSP with 67-bit accumulator (double precision w/ 3 headroom bits)
    Hardware-accelerated, 32 channel mixing, and multi-effects processing
    Zero-latency direct hardware monitoring w/effects
    ASIO 2.0, Stereo WDM/MME/DirectSound Drivers
    EDI (E-MU Digital Interface) proprietary 64 channel audio link over CAT-5 cable
    Anti-Pop speaker protection minimizes noise during power on/off
    Ultra-low jitter clock subsystem: < 1ns in PLL mode (44.1kHz, Opt. S/PDIF Sync)

    Analog Line Inputs (6) Type: servo-balanced, DC-coupled, low-noise input circuitry
    A/D converter: AK5394A
    Level (software selectable):
    - Professional: +4dBu nominal, 20dBu max (balanced)
    - Consumer: -10dBV nominal, 6dBV max (unbalanced)
    Frequency Response (20Hz-20kHz): +/- 0.05dB
    Dynamic Range (1kHz, A-weighted): 120dB
    Signal-to-Noise Ratio (A-weighted): 120dB
    THD+N (1kHz at -1dBFS): -110dB (.0003%)
    Stereo Crosstalk (1kHz at -1dBFS): < -115dB

    Analog Line Outputs (8) Type: balanced, low noise, 3-pole low-pass differential filter
    D/A converter: CS4398
    Level (software selectable):
    - Professional: +4dBu nominal, 20dBu max (balanced)
    - Consumer: -10dBV nominal, 6dBV max (unbalanced)
    Frequency Response (20Hz - 20kHz): 0.0/-0.35dB
    Dynamic Range (1kHz, A-weighted): 120dB
    Signal-to-Noise Ratio (A-weighted): 120dB
    THD+N (1kHz at -1dBFS): -105dB (.0006%)
    Stereo Crosstalk (1kHz at -1dBFS): < -115dB

    Combo Microphone Preamplifier/Line Inputs (2) Type: TFPro™ combination microphone preamp and line input
    Frequency Response (20Hz - 20kHz): +0.8/-0.1dB
    Dynamic Range (A-weighted, 1kHz min gain): 100dB
    Signal-to-Noise Ratio (A-weighted, min gain): 100dB
    THD+N (1kHz at -1dBFS, min gain): -94dB (.002%)
    Stereo Crosstalk (1kHz min gain, -1dBFS): < -115dB
    Line Input:
    - Input Impedance: 10Kohm
    - Max Level: +17dBV (19.2dBu)
    - Gain Range -12 to +28dB
    Microphone Preamplifier:
    - Input Impedance: 330ohms
    - Max Level: -12dBV (-9.8dBu)
    - Gain Range: +10 to +50dB
    - Phantom Power: 48V

    <some additional output specs (Phono/Headphone/SPDIF/AES/EBU/ADAT have been omitted as they are irrelevant to CarPC audio>

    A few relevant notes:

    This card will only autoswitch sample rates between 44.1 and 48kHz. It will not switch ANYTHING between 4xkHz and higher SR's. (ie: it will happily switch between 44.1 and 48 kHz, but it will NOT autoswitch from 4xkHz to 96kHz or anything else).

    The 'Full 24-bit resolution at all sample rates' is only available if you have loaded your session AT THAT PARTICULAR SAMPLE RATE. If cross-sampling from 44.1/48kHz (which is the only cross-sampling rates offered [as shown above] it will dither to 16bit the SR that the session is not created in). EG: If you select a 44.1kHz session and your source is 48kHZ, the card will hardware SRC, but it will truncate it to 16bits ouput.

    This interface uses a full height PCI card, so I suggest using a flexible riser to lay the card flat on your motherboard to save space/height. You can then hide the audiodock elsewhere, using the 3 metres of cable provided.

    The opamps are NOT replaceable, but that doesnt mean you cant replace them
    They are surface mount devices, but can/have been succesfully swapped with a little care.

    The PCI card requires a floppy disk power connector to power it and the audiodock unit.


    Pros:
    120dB Dynamic Range
    120dB SNR
    -105dB (.0006%) THD+N
    This audio interface sounds fantastic!!
    The opamps/audiodock can be modded - from forum posts, this can (believe it or not) substantially improve the sound even further.
    Outboard interface reduces pc noise/electrical interference.
    2 highly accurate mic preamps for tuning/RTA/analysis (with phantom power)
    8 high quality outputs (which can be modded: opamps, bypass caps, etc) to improve the sound.
    3 metres of interface cable to allow relocation of the Audiodock to almost anywhere in the car.
    Autoswitch between 44.1 and 48kHz.
    Silent turn on/off.
    PCI has lower latency/overheads than firewire - no chipset issues. (PCI timing is still crucial, but many more problems seem to occur with firewire chipset incompatibility than with the 'relatively' simple process of giving the 1820m a PCI slot with its own IRQ!).

    Cons:
    Truncates to 16bit output if cross-sampling/resampling from 44.1 to/from 48kHz. I suggest putting this in 44.1kHz mode (where majority of your music exists) and letting it truncate the radio/gps/windows sounds (crap ), leaving your FLAC/lossless 44.1kHz audio pristine !
    Full height PCI card.
    "PatchMix" (the name of E-mu's driver) does not seem to resume from hibernate correctly when using CONSOLE to run plugins. (To fix this, simply kill the CONSOLE session as hibernatation occurs and reload the CONSOLE session when you resume - works perfectly so far ).
    More costly than the other soundcards.
    Larger than other interfaces - but fully relocatable/hideable.

    Verdict:
    I swapped out my old prodigy 7.1 LT and noticed an IMMEDIATE IMPROVEMENT!
    Basically everything sounded MUCH better! Sound was fuller, more accurate, tighter. The bass was not bloated but had a much greater presence and was extremely tight. This is a very satisfactory upgrade. Purely changing the source gave me such a large improvement in SQ! I realise this might be an unfair comprison. $100 gamer/low end pro interface vs $450 studio quality interface, but the point of this device (and my CarPC) is sound quality, and this has it in spades!

    I also have the 1820 (non -M version) which sounds VERY similar, infact, so far I cannot tell them apart, as doing an A||B test by ones self is very hard to do (especially in a car with so many outputs to swap over).


    Ice

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    cool thanks for the info on this card. I think this would be good to move it to the review section maybe? I'd add it to the list, but the list is for external cards. I had a plan at some point to do a PCI card list with select cards, because there are WAY too many cards to list them all and keep it updated. At some point I'd also like to move them both to the WIKI so others could update and add to it.

    I just need more time in a day.

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    sure thing.
    Because this card uses a PCI controller card, but has the audio interface in an external box (and there is no PCI card thread) I thought I may as well post it in this thread.

    I'll put my writeup in the review section too - good idea. I have a little more to add in that case.

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    Good usb sound card

    Hey, can anybody point me in the right direction? I am looking for a 4.1 solution. I am tired of built in sound and am looking for the easiest to configure high sound quality solution. Money is not necessarily a problem. Ideally, this solution will have some external volume control. I have searched tirelessly, but I cannot understand all the audiophile jargon, hahaha.

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    Another new card..

    Onkyo SE-U55SX

    More info to come later. Looks like a very nice external card option, although its a bit bulky.

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    will pcmcia cards work for car pc applications?

    im lookign at the audigy 2 ZS notebook by creative labs
    http://us.creative.com/products/prod...ct=10769&nav=3
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    Quote Originally Posted by sviyer View Post
    Is there an external USB soundcard with a built in amplifier?
    zalman from the list has one
    http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/...x=112&code=023
    J. J
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    TYPE RF System INSTALLED:
    RAVDVD1, Front: Silk FNX/FNQ 6.5, Highs amp: 801X
    Working on:
    Midbass: 8 HX2, Center: 4 FNQ, Midbass Amp: 801s, Center Amp: 301m, Sub Amp: T30001bd, Processors: 2 3Sixty.2

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