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    agreed, i still say for the price PG titanium, for under 500 bucks it has been my hands down fav, second to that i would look at the audison you linked, or if you want to get old school, go PG M50
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    PPI ArtSeries gonna have to find other speakers though.... They're not that beefy (not tomention VERY hard to find)
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    Quote Originally Posted by IC-C30 View Post
    PPI ArtSeries gonna have to find other speakers though.... They're not that beefy (not tomention VERY hard to find)
    Then when It finally burns out you can hang it on the wall in the living room . Those pictures looked like someone smoked opium and couldn't bare to look at a plain white amp. Whenever I see one those early all white Eclipse amps If I stare long enough I see one of the fruity pictures from the Precision opiate series....
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    Ok guys, I was surprised when I saw this threat that you were fighting about the JL sub... But that's ok... I appreciate every opinion and suggestion you guys make. Thanks.

    In term of 4-channel amp, basically I like the PDX just because I have the PDX monoblock but no idea about the quality. JL offers cheaper price than the PDX and again, I haven't heard the quality myself. The PG Titanium, I don't know which one is this, maybe you can send me the link. I just found R series and Rs series with no idea how theirs quality. Zapco? Thanks buddy...that's too expensive. Audison, I heard good reputation about them but kinda unclear about the quality.

    Frankly speaking, I still have no idea what to buy now.

    Anyway, the 2.4 farad cap that I mentioned, I haven't bought it yet, still in consideration. I have this PDX 1.1000 still in box, not installed yet. I was considering too add a cap just because the PDX itself consume about 1000W then I will add another 300-600W 4-channel amp. Do you think I still don't need a cap?

    Guys, I'm so proud being here and get so much valuable information and opinion from you... You all are great... Anyone wanna be my mentor on this?? LOL....JK....

    Ooppss... I'm kinda vague on the audison above, what I mean by no idea about the quality, I mean when I'm pairing it with the Alpine type-R component. Maybe anyone has any idea what will gonna happen with that combination...

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    read all my posts, I have said a few times PG titanium, this is my opinion, from someone that’s used each and every amp you can imagine, someone who demands audio perfection, and I'm saying for the price go PG titanium! Not PDX or JL (both are good amps) I would GO PG!

    you can also get it cheap, if I had to do a semi-budget build for myself, the first piece of hardware I would purchase would most defiantly be the PG amp. I do have high standards, I enjoy music, last year I bought

    Vrx 6.420 CS (chrome shadow) $4000+ amp (using 3 channels)
    Vrx 1.500 CS (chrome shadow) (1000 RMS at 2ohm)
    Focal Utopia Be Number 7s (front stage) $5000?

    and you know what? lol I’m still not happy, its not perfect yet, if I was homeless and had to sell my amps, and only could have 500 dollars for an amp (****ed up scenario ay) I would have to chose the PG titanium lol! JUST DO IT!

    And if you want me to explain why email me, I don’t want to spec drop publicly, last time I used anything more then slang, and modest formatting it turned into rants. On most forums I go on, same thing, I intimidate there forum hero boy, I get ban sometimes for nothing other then disagreeing and then schooling who ever HARD, ill spec drop, use fancy names, give you what years of university gave me, if So if you want shoot me an email, and ill try to test the PDX at work if you want, We have hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment, If time permits ill give you a brief report on the PDX (I want to bench one anyways, and no I’m not talking about a cheap *** bench test, those over populate the internet and sway to many people to believe there “good” amps, well there good, but not great.

    Although I suggest you just take my word on this, im not making any money, either way I could care less, but GET THE BLODDY PG TITIANIUM, you be BUMPING THUMPIN AND PIMPIN ALL THEM SLUTTY NOTES!
    LOL man I’m hammered!
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    Thanks Focal, But I just cannot find the PG Titanium on the market. What I can find is the RSd series and Octane-R series. You can see it here: http://www.phoenixgold.com/2004/amps.html

    What is your email address that I can contact directly and ask for advise in car audio system?

    Since I will run 1000W on my PDX monoblock for my type-X sub, I also consider about the power that the 4-channel will consume. I don't want to ruin the electric system and the alternator in my car. I'm gonna use 2.4 farad cap anyway, maybe that can help.

    I'd be pleased if you can tell me about the test result on PDX 4-channel. Some suggest on Orion or Infinity as well... What do you think?

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    what’s this capacitor business lmao, a cap is a band aid for a problem, for what it costs fix the problem, for most cars, it isn't much more, i got alternators for my mx6($180CAD) and the one for my rx8 was $230CAD both are 150-180amp output( i remember my rx7 one was more back in the day), buy one jump on a local auto forum, you will find a hundred clowns that can install one, they usually work for forum bragging rights lol.

    O and the titanium is older, they don't make them anymore, used is all you will find.

    and you wont be disappointed with the PDX and hell it will even match I guess (never build a system on this premise) but in this case it looks like it would be the determining factor in most peoples cases. if you want sheer enjoyment hop on google and search up a PG titanium!

    As for Infinity, last summer I installed some focal 165s with an infinity amp, and I was somewhat impressed on how nicely it sounded, infinity is a pretty solid company for what it is… entry level. I however don’t like infinity components! Orion is what a lot of the “hardcore” builders use, I do not however support them in any which way (not saying they don’t have some great product) but in your situation do the PDX if you’re a cosmetic slut, and are willing to sacrifice a little enjoyment (I respect this, we were not all born with perfect pitch) but if you have no regards to cosmetics, go get the PG, forget JL, forget Infinity, and forget Orion.
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    yeah, caps are not recommended as a solution for overtaxed batteries and alternators. It's best to do the big three and contemplate upgrading your alternator. You're may be pushing your factory system with the wattage you are thinking about. All the more reason to get the PDX since it's a D class amplifier, which is more efficient. Consider the 100rms x 4ch pdx instead of the 150x4.

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    Thanks iron.

    I have one question; if I don't use any cap and running PDX 1.1000 and let's say (just an example) JL 300/4 which use A/B class with my stock alternator, will the light and electrical system disturbed? Like light dimming or anything similar?

    If not, then I think it's kinda useless spending money on capacitor, isn't it? The cost of the cap is just $65 for 2.4 farad while it's kinda expensive to change the alternator. What do you think??

    Focal, it's just too troublesome to find the PG Titanium since it's discontinued. Can you suggest another amp that would need my satisfaction besides the PG? Is the infinity reference 7541a consuming a lot of power?

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    lights dim? depends on the car, I have installed large systems on some cars and the charging system kept up, I have installed small amps on some, and "dimming" as you would call it, but like I said a cap is a band aid, if your charging system is up to par, your lights wont dim, the amps are getting sufficient amperage, now if you have a bad charging system, or you simply demand to much, lights begin to dim, adding a cap, is just hiding a problem that needs to be fixed, yes they can be used with success, but like I said it all depends on the car, how much amperage will be drawn, how reserve amperage your charging system has, and so forth. Be smart about it and upgrade alternator! i have seen cars with systems so underpowered, even with caps, the lights dimmed bad, a cap can only cover so much overhead/overdraw.

    and i have used the infinity reference 7541a to power a set of Kappa's once, using an alpine deck with 3 way active crossover, it performed VERY well. i have noting bad to say about it, but if your buying new, just get the matching alpine PDX, i dont have much knowledge on that amp, like i said i installed one, it sounded nice, never heard from guy again.
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