Thread: Windows has multiple levels of volume controls. How to set properly?

I personally would never run anything at Max, in order to avoid any possible distortion. To advance your idea start with setting everything at 50%.

As the final sound is subjective, increase each setting slightly until you find a quality/volume you are happy with.

At the end of the day it will be the quality of the speakers which will decide.

In All the Recording and Pro Audio I do I always Run My Volume At 75%...

Use winamp set at 100% because using less than that actually causes winamp to render the audio at a lower level than it is meant to be. Winamp then uses the Wav output to send the audio to the sound card. Keep this as 100% as well. Use your Master to control your output volume. Adjust it to your liking.

Thanks. That's the info I hoped to learn.

lots of wrong info here.

The Windows Kmixer set anything below 100% degrades the signal by reducing the bit resolution. A good quality soundcard in the computer should never distort at full volume unless the original signal/recording is distorted. I cannot say the same for cheaper quality cards and the way they setup the outputs of them, but I believe onboard sound should not distort.

Same thing with WAV since it is part of windows kmixer.

However, one of the developers of winamp specifically stated that the volume control implemented in winamp does not reduce bit resolution IIRC. I'd have to dig around to find the link.

Windows Vista was suppsoed to redesign the way the mixer works and it was supposed to eliminate the bit resolution issue.

Well, i have to agree with Durwood, Digital volume controls are bad, decreases bit resolution.. Keep them at 100% and use the Winamp volume control only as it is supposedly designed better.

I cannot get the link to work, but here is some tech info on Digital Volume.

Digital volume control with a PCM bitstream is actually very simple, you simply multiply
each sample by a binary constant. This apparent simplicity is a trap for improperly
implemented digital volume controls that can really mess up a digital signal. The result
length in bits of any binary multiplication is equal to the sum of the word lengths of both
input terms. For example a 16 bit pcm signal multiplied by a 16 bit volume control
constant results in a 32 bit binary number. This conversion is completely loss-less, the
original signal can be completely reconstructed from the 32 bit output data. However as
there are no 32 bit DACs a 32 bit bitstream must truncated and possibly dithered or
noise shaped to a manageable word length before it is converted into analog audio.
Truncation is always a lossy process, once a signal is truncated no amount of processing
may restore the original, it may be possible to to make any truncation artifacts inaudible
with dither or noise shaping but the key to good digital volume control is to avoid any
lossy translations. Instead of multiplying the pcm bitstream by a 16 bit constant you
may multiply it by constant with an 8 bit or less word length, a 16 bit data stream and 8
bit volume coefficient will result in a 24 bit word, which is attainable by many high
quality DAC designs so no truncation is required. However the loss-less resolution of the
result comes at the price of volume control steps that do not accurately track the ideal
logarithmic attenuation curve, an 8 bit word my only attenuate a signal by a maximum
of 48db and the last few steps will be very large making a reasonable attenuation limit
of an 8 bit volume coefficient about 30db or so.
The best digital volume controls are those that use a table that attempts to limit the
amount of truncation needed. Such a volume control may use 4 bit constants for the
first few attenuation levels, then gradually increase the word length as needed for
greater amounts of attenuation. This table should include as many "magic" attenuation
values as possible, -6.02db is only a 1 bit coefficient, -12.04db is only 2 bits ect... This
approach maximizes the signal quality but also minimizes the linearity of the attenuation
steps so that each volume step will be slightly different, however as volume control is more of a
bulk attenuation and human hearing can easy adapt, a linear volume control is not really
necessary.
It should also be apparent that the least amount of attenuation possible should be used in a
system with digital volume control, in an ideal system you should always be listening as near as
possible full volume, this usually requires amplifiers with low gain. This can be a real problem since
most amplifiers are designed with as much gain as possible to give the customer the illusion of
"Power". Using amplifiers with too much gain requires too much digital attenuation at normal
listening levels leading to very low resolution (too much truncation of the digital signal before it is
converted in the DAC.) Digital volume control should also never be used with DACs of insufficient
word length, a 16 bit DAC will require truncating a CD resolution digital input for any attenuation
value at all so digital volume controls should only be used with DACs capable of converting word
lengths of 20 bits or more. Of course better, higher resolution DACs result in better sound quality
with digital volume control than lesser DACs. An acceptable DAC used without digital volume
control may become unlistenable when used with digital volume control due to linearity errors that
are normally masked when converting full level data, delta sigma DAC designs are perhaps the
worst in this respect while sign-magnitude DAC designs are the best. A sign-magnitude DAC always
increases its linearity with decreasing signal level making it ideal for digital volume control use. A delta-sigma DAC on the other hand has a noise level that increases with decreasing signal level
making most of DACs of this type very poor choices to use with digital volume control.

Cool good info felix.

Found my link

http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/car-...me#post1020250

good info in here!

I always felt that using WinAmp for volume control was the best option, but never knew exactly why.

What about for folks using Centrafuse. To my knowledge the developer ties stragiht into DirectX for sound output. Doesn't use WMP or Winamp.