Velcro for Sub Enclosure

**FC3S** · 10-02-2007, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Bimmerstyle

The guy asked where he could buy velcro and get flamed.

1. Where was he flamed? can you point it out to me please?

2. He asked a question that most didnt answer, sure, i'll give you that
but they gave him good advice, whats wrong with that?

and if a few months down the road, someone with maybe a hatchback read this thread and thought "oh velcro was good enough there, its good enough for me!", then they get into an accident and get killed. Its people like Red and them who suggest the safest way to do something, that save people from getting hurt.

If i did your idea, in my FC RX7, my head would get knocked clean off, as i dont have rear restraints of any kind, no seats, no anything.

So again, people trying to help someone install something safe is not a bad thing. Sure it might be against your idea, but seriously, you cant honestly believe velco is as safe as a bolted down L bracket.

ANYWAY, dont mean to be an ***, but yeah, they're just telling him the safest way. And i think this type of thing is best for a forum like this. As someone reading this in the future will see different ways of doing things.

**boomintrac** · 10-03-2007, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Bimmerstyle

But this is also the main advantage of velcro. Most people still want to have use of the trunk so they want to remove the box as easy as possible.

You dont need velcro to have full use of the trunk and have an audio system you just have to know what you want and plan accordingly

Originally Posted by Bimmerstyle

This bites. See sig plzz.

What the he!! does this have to do with how cows are molested in Spain? See your sig plzz! I clicked your links and didnt see any mention of using a getto method of velcro holding a sub box in place. You have a nice install and I would in no way belive that that box is held in place with velcro, I can see the trim panels but sub box no way. Show some pics cause if you really use velcro to seure something to the auto remind me to never do any business with any company that has been dummyfied with the install pratice of using velcro in this manner.
Aron

**Bimmerstyle** · 10-03-2007, 01:36 AM

Ok,ok!

You guys are probably right about the safety issues and I'm getting tired so I'll rephrase:

If you take your safety into the extreme velcro probably wouldn't be the best way to go in hatchbacks SUV's etc.. In a sedan however I still see no problems. My expierences are mainly on sedans and the stuff works great for those. Even in extreme driving conditions the box stays in place.

However you guys are right that in SUV's and such there is a possibility that the box will slingshot in your neck when having a serious collision.

I admid that I'm not really a fan of safety regulations and such so there I could have said my opinion wich isn't always the safest one.

I clicked your links and didnt see any mention of using a getto method of velcro holding a sub box in place. You have a nice install and I would in no way belive that that box is held in place with velcro

This comment I've put there because I wanted to show you I don't do redneck auto improvement. And infact the sub box isn't held in place by velcro indeed. It's held in place by.... nothing really. There is just a floorboard that fits the trunk snugly and is not secured to the car in any way. The box is held in place on both sides with a little mdf piece screwed on the floorboard so it won't slide sideways and the amplifier cover makes sure it wont slide to the rear. And because of the angle of the rear seats it wont move upward either. This box isnt screwed to anything and yet it won't move in any direction even when driving and braking extremely fast (as I have a habit to do). The trim panels are simply pinched in there. Just to say that bolts and screws aren't always nessecary. I do all my installs this way because I hate to put screws into the cars bodywork. (BTW, Thanks for the comment on the install)

and for the pic. It took me some searching but here it is:

This cheap a$$ box was in the car the first few months after I bought it. Guess how it's secured. Never moved from that place in the right corner until I took it out. But indeed, my trunk is completely seperated from the cabin so in a crash the box can't go anywhere as in a hatchback it probably can enter the cabin. I also had a similar velcro setup several years ago in my first car that was rear ended. The entire rear end was gone and I had a whiplash but the box was still in place. I have no pics of that one, sorry.

I didn't want to cause a riot and want to stay friends with everybody. I'm really a friendly guy. I hope this post has rectified it all and the discussion has ended.

**RedGTiVR6** · 10-03-2007, 09:48 AM

Velcro is NOT a solition for something like this...no matter if it's in a trunk or a hatch/suv. It's a ghetto rigged way of doing it. I'd equate it to using electrical tape to join two wires instead of using solder and heat shrink like would be the correct way of doing things.

**durwood** · 10-03-2007, 10:27 AM

Velcro=temporary.
Velcro=lazy
That's why it comes apart! Its used went you want to be able to move or remove something later.

Metal brackets or bolt it down if you don't feel like dodging projectiles in an accident.

**Kimota** · 10-03-2007, 10:52 AM

I use Rok subwoofer straps they work pretty well and have a quick disconnect for easy removal.

Check them out here on the Rok site, I'm using the shorter pair picked them up on Ebay.

**BiG K** · 10-03-2007, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by OldOneEye

Did an install in my best friends 1999 Escort hatchback. Hit a pole, the sub box broke through the back seat (fold down seat, steal back.. similar to Jan's GTI). The power wire on the amp kept the box from scrambling his brain.

Not only that, if you don't want a thief to take it, you want to bolt it down.

Juan

Is that really surprising? It's a ford! Seriously, FORD stands for Fix Or Repair Daily. My bro just got a company car a brand new ford mondeo and since, it has been back to Ford for a new alternator, windscreen wiper motor, wheel hub, suspension arm, ABS sensor, power steering pump. My dad even had a Ford Courier van and that was the same story, always bits breaking! I honestly just told my brother to give the damn car back, it's spent more time in the garage than on the roads. So ok, he does drive it a heck of alot, but damn, my little peugeot has done more miles than his and its in better shape!
Ford's build quality.......or should I say lack of, is probably what caused the seats to deform. You do know that MOST car manufacturers actually test what would cause the seats to break right? Imagine a typical family scene, the boot loaded up with the groceries and the driver crashes headfirst into a brick wall...I wonder where the groceries would go? Kill the kids in the back seat?
Ok, what about a college kid, loads the boot up with a few cases of beer?
Or maybe a every day family man, who on a sunday decides to reapir a wall and has a couple of breeze blocks in the back of the car?

I can keep going on really!

My friend drives a Mazda RX7 (FD3S) The subwoofer box is just wedged in behind the little rear seats, no mounts, no velcro, nothing. Whatever we have done in that car, hard braking from 150mph (avoid speed camera), drifting (it's fun

) etc etc the sub box has pretty much never moved.

The spare wheel in a car has a thick bolt, because it prevents the tire from moving. It is cheaper for car manufacturers to just use a thick bolt that snugly fits into the bolt holes, than to devise a system which minimises the wheel from moving, therefore stopping the annoying rattling.

If the car rolled over, I don't think you would be really worrying about the equipment in the back........more the case of...dude my car's wrecked!

I do agree on bolting it down however, it does stop thieves from taking your equipment.......well not really stop because i think a thief will bring some tools anyway, to get into the car to begin with and all of you who say "well all you got to do is smash the window and open the door", you really should have got a better car! Research on something called "deadlocks" What deadlocks do, is lock the doors in such a way, the only way to open the door, is with the key! You cannot open it from the inside. Most european cars have this, peugeot, Audi, BMW, Citroen, Volkswagen........the list goes on!

Oh and yes, in the interests of safety, probably better to bolt it down anyway!

**Megalomaniac** · 10-03-2007, 11:47 PM

well even if you have a trunk car. yeah the sub wont come hitting you in the back of the head in an accident, but i sure as hell wouldnt want my sub to get mangled by bouncing all over the trunk in an accident... :blackeye:

**scott_fx** · 10-04-2007, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by Bimmerstyle

Most people still want to have use of the trunk so they want to remove the box as easy as possible.

I think they are just trying to help this guy out, not flaming him at all. Velcro; by design, is built to fail when a certain force is applied. I wouldn't trust it.