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    Speaker Installation Help!!!!

    I finally got my speakers in. They come with a universal adapter, but the speaker is too deep. It hits the windows track. The old speakers had adapters, but I sold them, and I do not think they would have fit with the new speakers. Is it OK to have a gap between the door and the speaker? Basically the adapter has to be raised a bit, like the original factory adapter did. That means a small gap. Will this affect sound quality?
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    You can build your own adapter from mdf. A gap will sound terrible.

    Read this:
    http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95925

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    Quote Originally Posted by jake789 View Post
    You can build your own adapter from mdf. A gap will sound terrible.

    Read this:
    http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95925
    Thats a great link. I am not going to go over board like him and use the clay. My idea is to use the adapter that came with the speakers, lay it on top of the MDF, then attach to the doors. My thing is, I am not good at wood work, Well I kinda am, but get nervous easily. Where do I get thick MDF like that. I have never seen it that thick before (actually never looked). I guess I'll try home depot today.

    As far as the rest of the install, I had a huge dilemma. I didn't know what side of the speaker wire was + and -. I was beating myself up over it until I decided to examine the wire. Turns out its made in shapes. + is in a square casing and - is in a circle casing. Never seen that done before, but I am glad they did. I guess Alpine knows some installs require custom parts, so they actually made cut outs on the box so I can make the MDF adapter. That was pretty nice and smart of them. While I have the door panel off, I blasted the scratched and faded areas with flat black paint (my interior color), looks as good as new now. I am going to do that to all my pieces. I also finished the center console repair, and reattached it to the floor. Now when I drive I do not have to hold it so it doesn't move around. My car is slowing coming back together and I am starting to get excited about doing this again. Over the weekend I want to repair some panels that I messed up with failed equipment install. One is the bottom piece where my E-Brake and hood release sit. I tried to add a USB DVD a long time ago and it didn't work out. To buy a new piece from Dodge is about $300.00, thats crazy!!!!!!!!!! It sits at the bottom and you cant see it, so patching it up like I did my console will not stand out. I also had drilled a large hole in one of my pillars to hold a web cam, but in the end I didn't like it, so I had the hole sitting there, not looking good at all. I bought a Windows Media Remote for Sling Box and mouse control on the large rear screen. It requires a line of sight to a small IR receiver. I decided to use the hole from the web cam to place the IR receiver. I have to make it look nice and smooth, which should be too hard.

    Also, I am still trying to find someone that can reprogram this DQP for me to work in 3 way mode by default. Even a relay system will be fine at this point. i will pay you for your work!!!!!!!!!!

    Anyways time to work!

    PS: OOPS, I thought this was my worklog, lol.... sorry for the endless bable.
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    I figured since I had so much extra time, I would work on the new speaker adapters. It was actually fairly easy with the proper measuring and what not. Thankfully Alpine made cutouts to do this. I used a fairly think piece of MDF, and when I tried to put the speaker in, the magnet was hitting the stupid window track and getting stuck to it. So I actually had to make a spacer for the spacer, lol. I used a thinner piece of MDF and layed it on top of the other. Before that though I used wood glue to make them solid. Then on top of the MDF I set the adapter from Alpine. The screws they gave to attach to the door sucked really bad. When I sold my old ones, I had wondered if I should give them the screws too. Thankfully I didn't, because I needed them bad. Two of the screws worked perfect, the last one wasn't big enough for the hole Alpine made in the adapter, so I used a washer. As for the wiring, I decided to fish them through the holes on the speaker connectors then solder them on. Here are the pix of the passenger door installed! I haven't had a chance to get to the driver side.

    Thin MDF pieces:



    Think MDF pieces:



    Installed, thank god for the original speaker screws!

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    Good work. I used the factory spacers when I installed my mid bass drivers simply because I already had them. I also deadened the doors and patched any un-necessary openings in the doors. Just for kicks, try listening to your new speakers first with the door panels still off, then install the panels and listen again. Let me know your conclusion after you have tried this. If you think that I am a little bit nuts your likely right, but there truely is a method to my madness as you will hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewizard View Post
    Good work. I used the factory spacers when I installed my mid bass drivers simply because I already had them. I also deadened the doors and patched any un-necessary openings in the doors. Just for kicks, try listening to your new speakers first with the door panels still off, then install the panels and listen again. Let me know your conclusion after you have tried this. If you think that I am a little bit nuts your likely right, but there truely is a method to my madness as you will hear.
    Thanks... I wish I wouldnt have sold mine, but i did . I am happy with the new spacers though. I am thinking of maybe installing one of the rear door instead because i am curious to see if they will fit. The rear doors are smaller and of course have that stupid window track right behind the speaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewizard View Post
    Good work.
    +1

    I had to do something similar when I replaced the tweeters in my dash. Considering a mount like that is covered up by trim, as long as it fits and works, it's not like you have to be super careful with how it looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machinehead View Post
    +1

    I had to do something similar when I replaced the tweeters in my dash. Considering a mount like that is covered up by trim, as long as it fits and works, it's not like you have to be super careful with how it looks.
    I am very thankful the door panel is the way it is. Also because the speaker is pushed up so much farther then the stock speaker, the speaker actually goes past the opening a bit, so you do not see the MDF all.

    thewizard, did you have issues with the magnet of the speaker touching up on the window track? Will this affect sound? Even though I did add more of a spacer, I still feel a tug of the magnet trying to attach to the window track metal. I am wondering if this can cause sound issues and or kill the speaker because it is always trying to pull towards the window track.
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    The magnets are pretty much touching the window frames in my truck but it has not caused any problems at all. The only thing that I would worry about would be if the magnet actually put pressure against the window frame as it would not be very good for the window regulator (motor). You will also notice that the speakers will sound a great deal better when the door panels are on rather than off, this is because the panels somewhat function as an enclosure when they are in place. It is a very noticable difference.
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