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    No way! This thread is still going on?


    Whatever happened with the guy who was gonna try this idea out?
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    the thread has grown since the last time you were here. it's on off topic cubed now
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    I cast a vote for someone to put DJ speakers in their car. They have awesome efficiency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durwood View Post
    I cast a vote for someone to put DJ speakers in their car. They have awesome efficiency.
    I used to have a pair of disco speakers in the back of a Ford Sierra once.

    12" bass bins and horn tweeters in each.

    Realistic PRO2 from Tandy (Radio Shack to you guys)

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    Quote Originally Posted by durwood View Post
    I cast a vote for someone to put DJ speakers in their car. They have awesome efficiency.
    ha

    how about folded horns...they are known for compact size :-)
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    Interesting thread. The only really good use of home speakers in a car belonged to Earl Zausmer's BMW 540. He had a set of B&W 801's dismantled and mounted in the front of the vehicle: The subs in the kickpanels, and the mid and tweeter in the dash, originally motorized so that they rose from the factory speaker locations. Later the installed changed to huge, nasty A-pillar pods. I will say that the car was probably the best one-seat car that I have ever listened to.

    His lack of good speaker placement was from the imaging point of view was band-aided with signal delay, making the driver's seat sound incredible and the passenger side sound like absolute crap.

    I know a lot of people assume that home speakers are being used when they see things like Dynaudio's woofers and mids, but they don't know that Dyn builds several dozen versions of the popular MW160 series of 6.5's for various speaker manufacturers and they all have different specs and design priorities, but looking at the cone you can't see a bit of difference.

    As for Rob Rice and Gary Biggs, and the past Kicker Team, they used Kicker "prototype" team-only speakers. Kicker acquired their team high end drivers from a respected car audio manufacturer with the intent to brand and sell them as their own, but decided the market wasn't there so abandoned the line. Rob retired his car, but Gary did go on to JBL where he didn't use their home line, but did use some of the prosound line, which are the old and hard to find 2118's. Gary still hasn't revealed what has been in the Buick in its current install, but is talking/planning a show-all article with CA&E. Car audio relied on prosound gear heavily in the early 90's. JBL's high end GTi subs featured pulp cones and acordian surrounds, as did Image Dynamics high end SQ subs, the IDWs years ago. The excursion potential was lacking, but they sounded awesome in the right application. Electronics were and still are the same way, for instance the USD and ID eq's and xovers that are 12V modified Rane and Yamaha gear.

    Aaaaaah the old days............

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    When you evaluate drivers for use their obviously has to be some basic criteria for choice.

    I suspect the days of poor home audio drivers are numbered, simply because even cheap ones have rubber surround etc, that only used to be the providence of more expensive drivers up to a few years ago.

    So what separates home audio drivers from cars?

    1\UV resistance, still a problem for non-treated pulp cone etc.
    2\Pollution damage (atmospheric) this raised havoc on Styrofoam surrounds, but perhaps less of a concern now.
    3\ Size. Not necessarily the actually driver rated size, but magnetic structure and depth etc. Neo magnetic are perhaps making this difference less useful.
    4\ Off axis response. Probably the key difference now. Car audio drivers are renown for their extreme off axis response.
    5\ Poor RMS ratings. This still is the a major for home audio drivers.
    I recently compared a car audio driver to some home ones. The off axis response of the home drivers was quite lacking.

    I would only use home drivers where I expected to have the driver on axis.

    The other reason I would choose home audio drivers is for their ability to use aperiodic enclosures. While it is true the car audio drivers often have better RMS handling, the main reason for this is there Qts ratings of 0.6 (jack of all trades and master of none) designed for small sealed enclosures where power loss is great (read their sensitivity ratings) or over large baffle where there sacrifice frequency band width.

    If your going for an SQ install, where your prepared to use non stock locations and keep the drivers on axis, home audio drivers make more sense.
    Especially if your prepared to use arrays. The only setup that could possibly equal the potential of arrays in the near field, are horns. Effectively if your on axis with your drivers then you are loading the drivers anyway, in a similar advantage of the horns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enforcer View Post
    I used to have a pair of disco speakers in the back of a Ford Sierra once.

    12" bass bins and horn tweeters in each.

    Realistic PRO2 from Tandy (Radio Shack to you guys)
    How about some Klipsch corner horns--kick panels maybe?

    I just prefer home drivers because there is so much more to pick from. One of these days I need to replace my MBQ Q 6.5"s with some home speakers but I need to find the right ones. I am already using 3" home sepeakers for my midrange and they are pretty much on-axis so they sound great. I tried 5 different 3" before I settled on the ones I have now. My car is only set-up for one seat listening as well. That's all the really matters to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durwood View Post
    How about some Klipsch corner horns--kick panels maybe?
    haha. i may be able shoe horn that into my car...or maybe i'll get a moving truck for them. at least they will only need 5 wrms of power!
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