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    I'm selling an Audigy 2 in the sale section of the forums.

    The "I got laid off from Verizon" sale!!!!!
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    while I agree that the Audigy might not be the best option in terms of SQ BUT.....I'm running the laptop version in my car and have had ABSOLUTELY no complaints from USACi SQ judges...in fact.....I've taken home 3 first place trophys and a best of show thanks to the sound quality I have achieved with my set-up

    just FYI
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    LOL sonny
    a lot of words that said nothing,
    the truth is that the audigy2 is a very good card,it sounds absolutly fine.
    As does an audigy1,
    use these drivers for more control if needed "http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/index.php?skip=1 "
    It sucks when ppl use the argument that they hear **** we "lower lifeforms" cant hear.
    If i was you Bginamercedes, id consider getting by until the next gen soundblaster is out, its gonna be a significant step forward in computer sound cards. <<< dribbling
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    who you callin 'sonny'

    and can you clarify you statement about the next generation from SB? I'm interested in hearing more!
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    "but sit down young'n, I'll teach ya the ways." <<<< him
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    Quote Originally Posted by stapan
    I figured a couple people might be up in arms about what I said. after all, audigy cards do have a pretty good reputation, especially around these parts. I didn't have time to post more earlier -- taking care of Dad -- but sit down young'n, I'll teach ya the ways.

    its pretty simple actually and has nothing to do with the SNR specs like the other guy mentioned (although thats also a small factor). but while we're on that subject note that creative is known for falsely advertising higher specs than their cards really get (particularly audigy cards). so while the box may say 90db -- which is bad to begin with -- or 108 db -- you may not get nearly that much. I don't want to get into this, cause its not the important thing, specs are only a small part of the big picture, but if you want more information on that go to www.audiocardsettlement.com, or http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22019.

    the problem is obvious if you know a little about how the data on your CD gets turned into a speaker signal. In our case, the amplifiers and processors (if any) are not the focus, but rather, how can we get the cleanest signal up to that point? In other words, how much of the sound is distorted before it even goes out of the computer to the amplifier or processor?

    now, I realize that most of the people here aren't audiophiles. they just want a reasonable level of sound quality from the computer. and thats perfectly ok, we all have our tastes, preferences, and priorities. if you can't tell the difference between a 128kbps mp3 and the actual CD or the same thing at 320kbps, then this advice is not for you. you'll be perfectly o.k. with an audigy 2 -- it doesn't really matter. you may be happy with your car's factory sound. it would be like me installing a nice sound system in my father's car, when he only listens to AM Radio. its just not worth it. save your sound card money and buy another one of those "awesome sounding" wal-mart $19.99 stereo systems you love and an inverter and put it in your car. but anyway the guy was asking about sound quality and an audigy 2, going through an amp to focal speakers... so here we go.

    the problem:
    99.9% of music has a sample rate of 44.1kHz.
    audigy 2 cards resample that to 48kHz -- using a VERY poor algorithm.

    in other words, the audigy 2 cards butcher your music data automatically, at a hardware level, causing noise artifacts and distortion. while this may not sound like anything major, it absolutely destroys sound quality. the hardware is physically incapable of handling clock rates that are not multiples of 48khz.

    be careful with the settings. setting the audigy 2 to 44.1khz actually forces the card to upsample to 48khz, and then resample down to 44.1khz. so it gets even worse.

    the best thing you can do is use software to resample to 48khz-- at least the algorithms are better. but you're still forcing lots of artifacts and distortion into the music. with a really good external processor you could compensate for a lot of the problems, but why? its even cheaper just to buy a $25 chaintech.

    add to that fairly bad DAC's (which is one of the most important things for sound). the $25 chaintech has better DAC's than an audigy 2 also. if you're using optical spdif output (to a processor) the dac's don't matter, but it still resamples.

    In addition, Audigy cards clip and distort badly if you set the channel or main volume above 50% (when using full amplitude signals). This is clearly audible to the human ear.

    audigy 2 does have its advantages -- mainly, its great for gaming. in fact I use one on my gaming pc. but I woudln't listen to music on it.

    I'm interested in learning more about what you are talking about...do you have any links to this information that might help me better understand this?
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    "and can you clarify you statement about the next generation from SB? I'm interested in hearing more!
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    Geez, i had to clear my history

    im looking , will post link when found
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    found this RED , not what i saw before, but enough info.
    http://uk.europe.creative.com/corpor...pe=3&ref=12089
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    so the CHAINTECH AV-710 Sound Card is my best bet to go on...if i dont like it ill just sell it + is not alot of money so it all sounds good to me. lol

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    Red...I would think that your setup only uses half of the alleged faulty parts. Since you are using digital out to the Alpine processor and using the Alpine DAC's. I plan on using the SB card also. I know squat about sound cards so I find this thread very interesting.

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