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    Looking for a good equalizer

    Well, after thinking long and hard about it, and watching a clarion EQ slip my grasp due to a misworded PM, i have decided to get an EQ. I have a few local choices, but i'm hopign that people will give me great suggestions into what i'm looking for. Right now i'm still looking at the 1/2 DIN Clarion EQS 744 and an Apline 3402. There's about $100 in price difference alone. I just want to do this PC stereo right. Suggstions, reviews, comments, sellers, traders? ALL ARE WELCOME!!
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    okay, specs are as follows on the few i'm deciding on?


    LIKE NEW ALPINE MODEL 3402 EQUALIZER! MANUAL INCLUDED AWESOME PURE CLEAN COMPETION SOUND , FRONT AND REAR OUT COUNTLESS ADJUSTMENTS THIS SET SOUNDS AND LOOKS GREAT!
    *IT HAS 4 INPUTS AND 4 OUTPUTS

    *IT HAS FOUR CHANNELS (3 & 4 BANDS)

    *TWO CHANNELS (7-BAND)( FOR CHANNEL 1 & 2 ) specs are: BAND one 20Hz to 700Hz BAND 2 : 150Hz to 5KHz, BAND 3 1.2 KHz to 22KHz ( FOR CHANNEL 3&4): BAND 1 20Hz to 700Hz BAND 2 : 80Hz TO 2.6khZ BAND 3: 400 Hz to 13.2 KHz BAND 4 : 1.2KHz to 22KHz SIZE IS 10- 3/16TH " X 6- 1/4 "

    INFINITY KAPPA 2X B ACTIVE CROSSOVER
    This is a 2 way active crossover network.
    Specs are : high pass crossover points varibel from 50 to 250Hz
    low pass from 25 to 200 Hz,
    Two pairs of high pass Outputs for Front and Rear stereo channels
    one pair of non Fading mono sub outputs for low pass app.
    Lp crossover slope fixed @ 18 dB per octave
    Hp crossover slope fixed @12 dB per octave
    Dc to Dc , 30 volt bi-polar Power Supply for outstanding Dynamic range.Isolation from Noise, and incresed Output Voltage

    And then there's the clalrion eqs744
    I htink i'd prefer that one, but the infinity looks nice.

    There's also a pioneer deQ 7600 full screen digital graphic eq. don't know how good that is. C'mon guys, help an EQ noob out. Its the only part of the stereo i am not farmiliar with.
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    39 views, no advice...that sucks. Okay, well, i heard of this little company called audiocontrol. I heard they made this okayish old school crossover called a 3xs. And then i heard someone had one for sale. So...a little help PLEASE. i dont' understand some of the specs, AT ALL. What's the 2way 4 channel part mean?

    AudioControl is probably best known for their great equalizers and crossovers, and the 3XS is one of the reasons why. This 2-way, 4-channel electronic crossover features steep 24dB/octave slopes and independent output level adjustments. AudioControl's programmable crossover module provides more precise frequency adjustment than typical knob-type controls, and the high voltage PWM power supply offers increased headroom and noise rejection. The 3XS also features a built-in Programmable Frequency Match (PFM) subsonic filter to protect your speakers and avoid wasted amplifier power. Made in the USA; Salmon Gray in color.

    Specification

    Crossover Type: 2-Way / 4-Channel
    Frequency Response: 10-20,000 Hz
    Total Harmonic Distortion: 0.005%
    Signal to Noise Ratio: 120 dB
    Maximum Input/Output: 9.5V
    Crossover Slope: 24dB per octave Linkwitz-Riley
    Dimensions: 8 3/4 W x 5 5/8 D x 1 1/4 H
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    i have been eyeing the DQS and the DQX by audio control. They both seem like they would do a nice job with the carputer. Especially with the DDC (digital dash control)!!

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    I'm just now realizing that the 3xs is a crossover, not an eq. I still have the software EQ, but everyone in the know says to stay away. All i know is that it has this great option to kill ground loops if you can't find the source and that should same me HOURS of frustration later. I think that would be my sole reason in getting it as each amp has its own built in crossover. Well...that and the price.

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    Why do you want an eq? Everything you have mentioned are toy eq's... that is to say, they offer very little control and are no better than what you get via software. They are toys that mess with the way the media was designed to sound like. They also have pretty lights!

    Do you want something to give you an adjustable high and low filter? Get a crossover. Want something to modify the signal, allowing for inadequacies in speaker design, while compensating for vehicle charecteristics? In that case you need atleast a 15 band EQ, possibly a 30. These are all 2 channel devices and would require a pair if you are concerned about front and rear fading. I would recommend the Audiocontrol or Phoenixgold devices here.

    What I'm getting at is that you may be asking for the wrong thing in an attempt to band-aid a solution together. First explain to us WHY you want the EQ and what you plan on doing with it. Then we can help steer you towards the right direction

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    ok...i'm not sure where to begin on this one.

    What do i want, just to make sure this thing is set up correctly and sounds good. I'm wiring my NX to the EQ or crossover and wiring that to the amps so i don't blow any speakers or have any nasty side effects. I don't know how else to put it.

    I'm off to pick up the audiocontrol now, which is a crossover. It is a 4 channel device, as stated in the rundown above. None of the eq's but the clarion had lights. There is no solution. I was advised on getting an EQ, and Red VR6 GTi knows her stuff, so i trust her, that's all. I have no major inadequacies in my box construction since my sub is a basslink and completely , but car wise, maybe, and i've been told by audiocontrol that the Audigy's eq woudl be sufficient, which is good. I understnad your concern that i may be buying exterenous stuff because it looks cool. Believe me...i have all the time in teh world and i research like hell. I havent' shelled out more than $30 for each compenent to date, not because i buy the cheap stuff, i buy them inexpensive because i don't have that much to spend and am saving for the screen. Nothing's going in my car until this system is 100% done.

    I dont' understnad why you would call them toy eq's though...each one of them were considered some of the best old school eq's and crossovers out there, and all are competition level. I have crossovers on the 4040DSM and the basslink, but the audiocontrol has this nifty feature that destroys ground loops, which maybe useful later. I'm not band-aiding anything...i'm solving a potential probelm before i install...i dont' want to rewire this sucker...i want to get it right the first time. I have never dealt with Eq's or stand alone crossovers. Cut me a bit of slack for going on the word of someone who's been there, though i appricate your comments and am taking out your constructive critisim. I have faith.
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    Most of the EQs you are looking at are 7 band EQs. 7 band EQs are so wide in their effected bands that it is very tough to hone in on problem areas. They become "toys" in that you play with them in the front of the vehicle to make things sound the way you want them. Many have dancing lights to make the oooo factor larger.

    I recommend an EQ be at least a 1/3rd octave eq, mounted somewhere in the rear of the vehicle, out of sight. its purpose is to decrease certain frequency volume problems to help "equalize" all given frequencies. Speaker mechanics and vehicles can change the way one system sounds when placed in a different vehicle. The EQ is designed to compensate for these problem areas. People use a tuned ear(difficult) or something called a RTA (real time analyzer) to visually see the frequency response in the car. They then adjust the eq to bring the response in line. This process can take forever! You usually start with the left side, then the right, then both at the same time. Once you find the sweet spot, you NEVER touch it again! (in theory)

    Having the eq up front tempts you to play with the response. It tempts you to move wide bands of frequencies which can modify the way the song was supposed to sound. Its almost like a republican vs democratic arguement. I want my music to sound exactly like it was intended, therefore i try my damndest for the eq to equalize my problem areas in system design/vehicle and never touch the thing. I would then play with the software based EQ if i decided this specific song needed tweaking. Its easier to reset it back to the way it was supposed to be.

    Others like to fidget and mess with the sound... bossting the bass when driving down given roads, boosting the high end to get more volume. Many people see this as setting the EQ much like a smiling mouth. People tend to find this configuration more pleasing with poorly designed systems.

    Regardless, you got what you needed. A crossover is a much better bet and a necessity. The audiocontrol gear is fantastic. So much so that you will find my AOL instant messenger ID as "audiocontr". I was a salesman of Audiocontrol gear back when AOL 2.0 came out. I snagged audiocontr and phoenixgold.

    To get back to your needs, what I'm advising as a way to do it "right" is to look into a 15 band or 30 band EQ. They will give you the control you need to really equalize your hardware. A 7 band is better then nothing but too course of an instrument for my taste. Sorta like skinning a fish with a butcher knife... I'd prefer a delicate fillet knife that will allow me to precisely carve off the skin where i want to... compared to chopping off large chunks of flesh and meat with a butcher knife. They both do the same thing, skin the fish, but with the coarse device, i'm eliminating a lot of what i wanted to keep. Get the analogy?

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    Th alpine is parametric, trunk mount, i thought parametric would make it better. the clarion is the toy i guess; its 7 band. I did a bit more research and yeah, 15-30 is what i shoudl be aiming for, something that needs an analyzer (i learn fast, i just need direction). They didn't have too much info for paramentic but it had more dials on it than 7. I bought the audiocontrol for $20. Technically $40 since i paid for gas and Papa John's. its a 7 costmetically, a bit dingy, light rust, but if it works 100%, great! For $20, i can ebay it for profit and get another one.
    (i typed this section before i read your post, sorry. I'm editing now make it a better reply)

    I know what you're talking about. No, i understnad distortion and faux volume techniques enough to know not to do it. I'm all about clarity and good sound. Sound that touches you, but doesn't hae to shake your bones to do so. Oh yeah, and i have to get it cheap

    What you said about making the EQ make the sound play exactly how it's intended in the car and use the audigy to mess with the playback if i want a greater response in an area is EXACTLY what i was planning to do. I didn't understand why it was trunk mounted until it hit me about everythign people have been saying about how lousy a car is for audio. I totally understand your analogy and thank you for your help.

    If you still have aim, mine is my SN. I would love to talk about this more., maybe throw a few wiring diagrams your way and whatnot. Everything's still in a corner and i'm rewiring everything (while leaving hte stock stuff in there so i don't have to worry too much if and when i sell the car). I need help, not so much in holding hands, but just showing me my errors in thinking while i'm still in the planning stage.

    what about the pioneer deQ 7600? Its 15 band, though in dash.

    ***EDIT*** Audiocontrol gave me a crashcourse in EQ's over the phone. I feel enlightened and have a greater understanding of your advisement. i'm going to look for a 15-30 band eq. Their company is awesome, great advice.,great teachers.
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