Opinions...Pioneer shallow mount subs

**Quack** · 03-27-2006, 04:53 PM

I just came across the Pioneer shallow-mount subs in another thread. The 12" Premier model only requires 3.25" of mounting depth!! Also requires only 0.5-1.0 cu ft of enclosure volume.

Since I travel a lot and need my trunk space, there's only one shallow area where I can mount a sub. I was about to glass two JL 6W0's into this area. Anybody have any direct experience with these? Please don't just say "it's a 12 so it's going to sound better than two 6's"...I've heard a wide range of subs over the years from small to large, top-end to awful. I love the 6W0's, but I would like to have a bit more extension. I'm looking for opinions from direct experience with these...especially in regard to SQ (high SPL's aren't my goal). Thanks.

**canadapettit** · 03-27-2006, 07:15 PM

Good thing you are not interested in SPL because these subs don't hit very hard. Pioneers idea for these was meant for a truck setup where space was an issue, i have installed many of these subs at my store in trucks and they sound pretty decent, but i would be a little skeptikal on how they would sound in a car.

**scott_fx** · 03-27-2006, 07:23 PM

check out the image dynamics id12's they aren't that shallow but they are pretty shallow and require a small enclosre as well (i think about the same as that pioneer. i have one and i love it. hits great.

also elemental designs have some cool 6" midbass drivers on sale that were designed specifically for what you situation is.

here is the link:
http://edesignaudio.com/product.php?cid=16&cur=USD
they are on sale right now too, $50 a pop.

**Quack** · 03-27-2006, 10:01 PM

canadapettit: Thanks for the info. Sounds like you have some experience with the pioneer and other subs on the market. Can you compare it to a JL 12W0 in terms of extension and SPL? If the extension is about the same and its just the SPL that suffers, I can probably live with it.

scott_fx: Thanks for the recommendations. Unfortunately, the 3 ID lines of subs are all 5.75" mounting depth at a minimum. ID makes great stuff, but the extra 2.5" of mounting depth (compared to the pioneer) is going to be a deal-killer. The problem is that it would cramp the fit of my golf clubs in the trunk. Since that's my job, the clubs take priority.

I took a look at the ed midbasses and they seem like good drivers. I would guess they're pretty similar to the JL 6W0. Unfortunately, I couldn't find Thiele-Small parameters for the ed drivers to compare to the 6W0. It would have to blow away the 6W0 for me to replace a 6" driver with another 6".

**canadapettit** · 03-28-2006, 11:30 AM

Is your civic a hatchback or a sedan?

**Quack** · 03-28-2006, 04:22 PM

Sedan. No rear speakers, so bass passes trhrough the empty rear deck better than normal.

**Will Albers** · 03-28-2006, 05:57 PM

Keep in mind that shallow subs usually are built with a weighted cone. They require more power then conventional subs to get equivalent output. Nothing wrong with them... but you may want to look into an epicenter from audiocontrol

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