Thread: Episode 2

Originally Posted by justchat_1

Just listened to podcast number 2....don't take this the wrong way guys but can you do a little research before you discuss some of these topics.

A few corrections...because I have a feeling this is going to confuse some listeners:

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First of all let me just say that most everything I said or had an opinion about comes from first-hand experience. There is no need for me to research it, it'd probably be posts of mine if I researched it anyway.

Yes, in my experience and testing, PulseAudio sounds a lot more full and crisp than the same exact FLAC on windows. There is a lot of forum posts that support this idea. Windows mixer (kmixer) is a pile of junk. Talk to RedGTiVR6 about sound quality. I use windows and linux all the time. The warm-fuzzy left 3 or 4 years ago a little while after I first started using ubuntu. The only way to get this quality back out of windows is using ideas/solutions like ASIO drivers/programs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Stream_Input/Output This is at least true for XP. Kmixer resamples EVERYTHING to 48khz, and does a horrible job at it. Vista and newer have a new mixer that apparently doesn't suffer from this. I don't want to run vista or newer in the car. I'd rather have a headless linux box in the trunk.

Yes, 384mb ram in my experience has been the best exchange of speed vs ram size. Slimmed XP with RR, this has been perfect for me for a long time. I even turn off swap and have no issues. iGuidance, RR, web browsing, remote desktop, etc. No problems so far.

I don't know that we were actually saying CPU speed affects resume times. This was more about installed ram sizes.

What does OM use for the media engine? I was under the impression it uses WMP under windows since it only supports media types that WMP supports.

We weren't talking about close sourcing GPL code, more like going commercial with closed source addons and support.

And yes, thanks for the props. I pride myself on knowing exactly what hardware I've got or used in the past.

Originally Posted by Tidder

Yes, in my experience and testing, PulseAudio sounds a lot more full and crisp than the same exact FLAC on windows. There is a lot of forum posts that support this idea. Windows mixer (kmixer) is a pile of junk. Talk to RedGTiVR6 about sound quality. I use windows and linux all the time. The warm-fuzzy left 3 or 4 years ago a little while after I first started using ubuntu. The only way to get this quality back out of windows is using ideas/solutions like ASIO drivers/programs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Stream_Input/Output This is at least true for XP. Kmixer resamples EVERYTHING to 48khz, and does a horrible job at it. Vista and newer have a new mixer that apparently doesn't suffer from this. I don't want to run vista or newer in the car. I'd rather have a headless linux box in the trunk.

Your comparing pulseaudio (first available in 2007) to a 10 year old windows OS...obviously the technology will not be equal. If you compared it to vista or win7 you will find a superior audio system to even pulseaudio (not released until a year after vista rolled out the technology). Just want to make sure the records straight on that

Justin, we actually toyed with the idea of bringing you on. Perhaps you might want to sit in on the next one?

[*]No Cars are steer-by-wire, safety legislation in quite a few countries prevents anything other then electric assist.

Yeah I meant wire assist. You can use the assist to drive the vehicle though, with no human intervention required (we do it at my work that way)

[*]Qt cross-platform development != all cross platform development

No, but it is the only one we have experience with, and its arguably the most advanced out there.

[*]Mike-you haven't seen anyone separate the GUI from the backend?? I seem to recall a front end that runs each plugin in a separate thread and runs nothing but the GUI in the gui thread. Come on dude we've discussed this!

Maybe it got lost in the editing, but I said I wasn't entirely sure how openmobile handled this, and it was all I could attribute the slowness issues I had due to ignorance of how it works internally.

Just finished Episode 2, Tidder was a nice addition and you guys did a good job not talking over each other. Keep up the good work, I'm enjoying it.

Originally Posted by justchat_1

Your comparing pulseaudio (first available in 2007) to a 10 year old windows OS...obviously the technology will not be equal. If you compared it to vista or win7 you will find a superior audio system to even pulseaudio (not released until a year after vista rolled out the technology). Just want to make sure the records straight on that

I would need something substantial to prove that to me. I'm not impressed with windows 7 at all, especially for car use. Playback of FLAC under 7 also stutters on my D945GCLF2, no matter what player or codec I try. ALSA and PulseAudio are still better imo. There is no record to set straight, podcasts aren't set in stone facts. They are fact-supported or experience-supported opinions from knowledgeable people. But what you are doing is exactly the response I wanted from the community on a lot of the topics I brought up... "What?! No way, Tidder's an idiot..." and then they'll research it for themselves and gain something.

Originally Posted by Machinehead

Just finished Episode 2, Tidder was a nice addition and you guys did a good job not talking over each other. Keep up the good work, I'm enjoying it.

Well thanks! And I must say... we talked over each other a lot... my master editing skills really turned this into a nice podcast. Sorry about Mike's volume level, we'll get better.

Originally Posted by Tidder

I would need something substantial to prove that to me. I'm not impressed with windows 7 at all, especially for car use. Playback of FLAC under 7 also stutters on my D945GCLF2, no matter what player or codec I try. ALSA and PulseAudio are still better imo. There is no record to set straight, podcasts aren't set in stone facts. They are fact-supported or experience-supported opinions from knowledgeable people. But what you are doing is exactly the response I wanted from the community on a lot of the topics I brought up... "What?! No way, Tidder's an idiot..." and then they'll research it for themselves and gain something.

I tried Win7 in the car recently, there's not much advantage to using it over XP. I also has issues with sutters and pops in the audio, but my particular issue was I believe due to poor driver support for by M-Audio than anything else. I wouldn't mind having hybrid sleep available to me as an option, but not at the expense of audio quality.

Originally Posted by justchat_1

[LIST][*]No Cars are steer-by-wire, safety legislation in quite a few countries prevents anything other then electric assist.

-Sorry, that was me

Originally Posted by justchat_1

[*]Memory latency has nothing to do with memory size

-I wish I could prove this, but I can't at the moment.

Originally Posted by justchat_1

[*]30 active front ends? try 6

-Well, approx in usage. Active as in meaning still having users, not in dev.

Originally Posted by justchat_1

[*] Microsoft Bob-lmao

-Im a dork, sorry.....

Originally Posted by ioi8

-I wish I could prove this, but I can't at the moment.

I wish I could prove the sky is purple....