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    As someone who spends a lot of time developing net apps for the car, and then actually using them on a daily basis, the tether is the key. Regardless of the mode (3G/4G/Wifi), you will always have areas of limited or no reception. It's a simple fact of life. Cell phones have been around for 25 years, do they actually work everywhere you can drive. No. Las Vegas is pretty flat and fairly well developed, yet there are dozens of locations throughout the valley where cell phone coverage is inconsistent. 4G Wimax just makes that situation worse. Once you head to the rural surroundings, the situation becomes even more critical.

    If the application requires real-time updates (OBD), it needs to be local. If it needs to be continuously available (NAV), then it need its primary data and engine to be local. Value added information (traffic, weather, events) and features (communication, social networking, media) can be net-derived, that's for sure. But trying to navigate with Google Maps 80 miles north of Caliente Nevada won't make you a happy camper.

    Also, let's not confuse net appliances with a PC. Ford and all these other guys aren't putting PCs in cars, they're putting appliances. Something Ma and Pa Kettle can operate. What we're doing in our cars is something completely different.

    The reason I have a carPC is the letter "P"...personal. I get to run the hardware I want, the OS I want, the applications I want. Since I write my own code, the applications work exactly (more or less...probably less) the way I want too. The carPC ethos is very similar to the hot rod/custom car crowd. The machine becomes an artistic, creative expression. Yes, it can be practical too, but that's not why most of us are doing it.

    A LOT of people seem to think that pushing the carPC to be more appliance-like is the answer. I say just the opposite. If you want an appliance, buy an appliance. If you use a PC as an appliance, then it's not a PC, and you've wated a lot of money and capability. If you try to use an appliance as a PC (think about all those 2DIN Chinese boxes running WinCE and all the hacks to try and make them act like a PC), you'll just get frustrated.

    So there you go. Batter Up!

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    In my experience, Google's approach, and those "cloud" computing fads are a return to the mainframe, slow as hell, incredible lagging experience, standardized interface of years past. Google is evil...

    Even under perfect coverage, the moment you hit highway speeds your 3G speeds will drop like a rock. Even if there's enough speed, the LAG gets much worse than what it already is. You count lag in seconds in a car. That's cloud computing for you, even in downtown, as you zoom past cell towers in an overpass at 75mph.

    I hated mainframes. I hated their interface and there was nothing I could do about it. I loved my 8 bit Apple/Sinclair at home because it was PERSONAL. I could tweak whatever the hell I want . And it felt faster and looked cooler than any amber terminal I ever used.

    IMHO the only guys excited about mainframes are the IT types responsible for playing with it or developing for it. Anything custom you want, you have to request them to code, because they didn't foresee that. But hey the prospect of playing this huge mainframe/Google network of computers and it's OS is enticing. But not for me, as I can't code (anymore).

    End users? They have no idea what's up for them if they're not careful: DUMB TERMINALS. How's that exciting?



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    End users? They have no idea what's up for them if they're not careful: DUMB TERMINALS. How's that exciting?
    Well, that's the point. They're not dumb, they're smart

    The question is, can you figure out something cool enough to do with a smart terminal that makes the minor lag to reach effectively infinite resources of a world wide network of computers worthwhile?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunkyks View Post
    SO MANY THINGS ON MY PLATE

    I had actually been thinking of writing a KML webservice type thing. Where it always just scrapes the last few samples in the database, and updates regularly. Maybe I'll try again. Hrm

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    chunkyks, I was thinking of asking ioi8 to write a webservice to convert my uploaded log.db.bz2 to kml for me to download later. It would be cool if you could help him do that (even though he hasn't actually agreed to do it yet).

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    Why is the word "browser" being taken literally?
    I would imagine that the word "browser" was used so that Ma and Pa Kettle can get a grip on what is being said.

    Sounds like a cloud + smart terminal situation to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by SapporoGuy View Post

    Sounds like a cloud + smart terminal situation to me
    Yeah, for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunkyks View Post
    I had actually been thinking of writing a KML webservice type thing. Where it always just scrapes the last few samples in the database, and updates regularly. Maybe I'll try again. Hrm
    Oh. Well, that was trivially simple. This is the very first time I saw it working: This is me going from parked, around the block, and onto the freeway. Height [and obviously distance between samples] represents speed. Apologies for the hokiness of the video, gtk-recordmydesktop appears to not get on well with google earth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbL_7_qR4v0

    I'll probably add things like colors to indicate engine efficiency, but right now I gotta go to sleep.

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    That was pretty cool.
    Hmmm, if I get this right. You drive an automatic and like quick starts
    I'm not sure if you want to know your engine efficiency

    I was going to ask if that was LA but your location on the left under your name shows that! duh ... I was a Oxnard/TO/SB/SD guy but now Sapporo Beer

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    Quote Originally Posted by SapporoGuy View Post
    That was pretty cool.
    Hmmm, if I get this right. You drive an automatic and like quick starts
    I'm not sure if you want to know your engine efficiency

    I was going to ask if that was LA but your location on the left under your name shows that! duh ... I was a Oxnard/TO/SB/SD guy but now Sapporo Beer
    He drives a mini which weighs less than my son's tricycle... So yeah, I'm sure he can get going pretty quick.
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    Hmmm, if I get this right. You drive an automatic and like quick starts
    Automatic? I think I'm offended! Here's my car:


    For what it's worth, that's actually a drive to vegas where I got 33mpg over the entire trip :-)

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