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    So much technology is being developed for vehicles now that I wonder if the carpc community will even be able to keep up in 10 years time. The way I see it is that OEMs are integrating more technology into their vehicles, but this technology is not standard, so it's very difficult for anything aftermarket to be able to tap into it. Take the radio for example. 10 years ago, almost every car uses a single or double DIN universal standard. Nowadays, the radio is becoming integrated with everything else and it's difficult to replace or modify it without vehicle specific parts/adapters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freak4Dell View Post
    Hmm...I had no idea it read information from the Nav system. The FXes equipped with the laser-guided cruise-control will measure the distance between the FX and the car in front of it and maintain the correct speed to keep a safe distance. I believe that same package includes the brake assist, which will hit the brakes for you if needed. Then again, that stuff isn't that new...I think Mercedes or Lexus did it first, and it seems like a lot of the luxury cars have it now.
    What you described is on the FXs since 2004, not sure on the brand since when. Since 2009 it brakes to a stand still AND accelerates back according to the traffic flow, so it's great for stop and go traffic. But I can't find now any info on the read ahead capabilities. I'll try again later.


    I don't understand why we don't have more bluetooth phone integration solutions. It seems like everything we do have either doesn't work right all the time, is dead with no support, or only works with certain devices. The OEMs have managed to include integration that works with nearly every device, but the CarPC community can't do so. Even a hardware device paired with a software plugin for the front ends would be fine.
    I agree. But most OEMs do not exploit the newest bluetooth protocols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    What you described is on the FXs since 2004, not sure on the brand since when. Since 2009 it brakes to a stand still AND accelerates back according to the traffic flow, so it's great for stop and go traffic. But I can't find now any info on the read ahead capabilities. I'll try again later.

    I agree. But most OEMs do not exploit the newest bluetooth protocols.
    That's cool. We just bought a 2010 FX a few months ago, and now I wish I had done more research into that and known all the capabilities. I didn't bother to get the package that had the cruise-control and brake-assist capabilities, since I figured it wasn't worth it.

    And yeah, other bluetooth protocols would be awesome, but when the community has yet to figure out an older one completely, I think it's a little overly optimistic to think about the other ones. I'm sure this community could figure out all of them quickly, though, if the time and dedication were put towards it. There are lots of very smart people on these forums.

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    I test drove an FX50 when it was lauched, and tested the stop and go part. It's great. On My 07 FX it just slows to sub 30mph with alarm bells ringing loudly, I have yet to find a dummy hail obstacle to test if it will eventually stop, but so far, i got to hit the brakes or the car will get a nervous breakdown...LOL It never accelerates back when below 30mph, it was built for cruising really.

    And I hope you're right about the bluetooth part. Apparently BT 4.0 specs are out, while support for 2.1 is still lacking, so we have a long way ahead.

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    It's too difficult to keep ahead of proprietary purpose-built systems like in the Audi. As a community of hackers, any solution we develop would be unlikely to apply to all cars, be cost prohibitive, and vehicle-specific.

    This is not our niche anymore than cruise control or airbag deployment is. [Insert manufacturer name] will beat us every time in that category.

    The place that we can innovate and easily surpass the manufacturers is in the in car experience from a software perspective. We are already building and installing much more flexible systems that use community developed software that is extensible. No manufacturer does that.

    The next frontier that we can innovate on is in taking advantage of the connectivity aspect. What automotive manufacturers DON'T want to do is welcome the mobile phone into the car beyond allowing BT connectivity between the phone and stereo.

    Consumers already own powerful portable computers in the form of the Android, iPhone and so forth. If manufacturers allow those devices to become part of the in car experience, they will lose control of the distribution mechanism.

    We, on the other hand, could care less. We WANT more integration between our in car systems and our phones. However, the aftermarket will eventually see that their niche needs to do more with the phones. They will eventually sell products that do a better job of connecting to the phone and permitting things like the terminal mode that just_chat discussed at afkfest.

    So, our community will need to look even further out to innovate. And the next place to do that is to leverage the data connectivity that we increasingly have and combine it with the computing power and services on the network to provide context to our mobile computing. The OSDash project is one approach to that idea. Others will follow, I'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sama View Post
    For instance, some BMW's lights can change the angle as you go around a bend,
    So do the ones on my Skoda Fabia.

    But I get your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    The next breakthrough will happen when somebody/some firm comes with something to greatly facilitate OEM BUS system understanding and hacking. Some kind of universal translator tool that you would hook up to the CAN BUS for any brand that you'd connect to the computer via bluetooth/USB and it would allow you to integrate steering wheel buttons, windows, send route info to the OEM nav, everything.
    I completely agree!! I think it would be really great if it could be this community that pulled it off too. Get all of the various reverse engineering projects together and build some universal interfaces that work with all the major systems (OBDII, CAN, the higher level proprietary CAN layers, ibus, etc)

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    Exactly. Get a can bus sniffer and develop a better software to integrate with a front end...a bit like CAP PC JOY con...

    Look what this guy did:


    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    Well, if you say so...

    On my car (SAAB 9-5) the network is devided into P(owertrain) and I(nstrument), the I-Bus is using low speed and most data are repeated (polled) once per second (if they change the change is instant).

    Initially I used a National Instruments-PCMCIA/CAN2 but the included software is very basic so I wrote a small VB app so I could log what I wanted to file.
    Then I've used the PCAN adapter to do some more logging and testing and today (actually) I used a Softing CanCard2 with Vector CANanalyzer software in order to verify bit timing registry settings and error frames.

    As for "pretty close to useless" and "might be possible to pick up and play with, it probably won't be anything useful"...

    I can read (among other things):
    Which doors are open, fuel level, lights, indicators, pedals, engine temp, RPM, speed, position of gear-lever, current gear (automatic, but it tells me rev. neutral, 1st to 5th and two stages of lock-up), inside temperature, selected memory for the powered seats (great for controling profiles in the carputer), reostat setting, incoming light(both the one that controls the climate control and the one that controls the lighting of the instruments), and more..
    .

    I can present text on the on-board-computer:



    All of this is done _without_ any information database what so ever, just a whole lot of logging.

    The only thing I wanted to read/control that I can't is the cruise control, I had an idea that you would set it where you wanted and when the navigation system detected a speed camera it would decrease the speed to the speed limit and once you've past the camera it would resume "normal" speed.
    But since it's hard wired to the ECU, I can't control that, unless I get a relay board of course


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    So yeah, select your memory seat from your front end seems pretty cool to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    So yeah, select your memory seat from your front end seems pretty cool to me.
    Or configure your memory seat when it detects your bluetooth phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    Or configure your memory seat when it detects your bluetooth phone.
    Why stop at seats? Do the mirrors and steering wheel, too (on car's equipped with a power adjustable steering wheel, that is). Unlock the doors while you're at it, too.

    My friend has a 2010 F-150 that has something where he can configure different keys as user profiles, which allows him to set certain limits and restrictions for the car based on which key is used to drive it. For instance, he can assign a key for his brother that won't let the truck go above 70mph. It would be cool if this could be configured via bluetooth as well.

    With so many possibilities, I'm surprised there isn't a whole group dedicated to figuring out bluetooth stuff. I know I sound like a complete hypocrite, since I haven't done a thing to help, but that's because I can't. I have no programming knowledge, so I would just screw up something. It just seems like this is a huge thing to tap into, and could make a ton of money if done right, so I don't get why people seem to make bluetooth an afterthought rather than a primary objective.

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