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    Interesting article on CNet describing the hacking of onboard computers. One group was able to access the ecu via a TPMS receiver from another car while driving. Same vulnerability would potentially exist for any bluetooth devices connected to the car's computer.
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    Well bluetooth has built in security, CAN bus does not, or it's more limited.

    In any case I'm hoping it will be done eventually, and I agree no reason to stop at the seats, of course. The reason is hasn't been done yet is because it's very difficult. Ideally we should have some manufacturer leak info to get us to start with somewhere. Maybe an ex-Ford Sync employee decides to defect and join the community or something like that.

    Now if that ever happens, the profile of this forum will be exponentially enhanced. If done right, this is going to be like jailbraking the iPhone, people will flock to this forum to extend their car's computer abilities and a new paradigm will emerge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    The place that we can innovate and easily surpass the manufacturers is in the in car experience from a software perspective. We are already building and installing much more flexible systems that use community developed software that is extensible. No manufacturer does that.
    i have really never cared for any systems the oem's offer because they are all locked down, and dumbed down so anyone can use them. i specifically built a carpc because it could give me features that not even the aftermarket arena is catering to..(music storage, cheap audio processing, and customization)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    Consumers already own powerful portable computers in the form of the Android, iPhone and so forth. If manufacturers allow those devices to become part of the in car experience, they will lose control of the distribution mechanism.
    this very closely relates to the other news thread about banning car apps... while some, even many people might be able to handle it, all it takes is one person that can't--when they get distracted pairing their phone in their new car so they can stream pandora, and run over some school children, the car maker will be held liable, not just the person driving..

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    We, on the other hand, could care less. We WANT more integration between our in car systems and our phones. However, the aftermarket will eventually see that their niche needs to do more with the phones. They will eventually sell products that do a better job of connecting to the phone and permitting things like the terminal mode that just_chat discussed at afkfest.
    i assume this is in a video that still needs to be posted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundman98 View Post
    i assume this is in a video that still needs to be posted?
    Actually, I think I talked about terminal mode in my talk... And no, it has not been posted.

    I agree with soundman98 in the area of audio customization. OEMs are putting better sound in their higher trims, but I haven't seen anything for custom audio processing and the really high end stuff... but how many of us are even involved heavily into that level of audiophile land?

    As for connectivity, OEMs like GM are doing android/iOS apps for [limited] remote control and viewing status remotely on your phone. Terminal mode which is complete integration with your phone is around the corner. So we are on the leading edge IMHO with osdash and bluemonkey, nobdy and stuff, but I wouldn't say we are in the lead. Personalization/multi-user awareness (which I also briefly mentioned in my talk at afkfest) is something that we could jump on (ie, the seats knowing you and your preference and stuff, which bmw already does based on a key fob), however we aren't doing much of anything but the very base infrastructure (at least we have stuff on Linux in development) there and I don't think Centrafuse or any of the other frontends are even aware of this concept.

    I'm looking at this from a historical perspective... We were probably playing mp3s in cars years before the industry. We probably had touchscreens in cars years before OEMs did. Today, I can't think of many, if any that we are "years" ahead of the industry (uber audiophile stuff aside because the industry will never have that level of awesome).
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    it isn't just audio, but one of the things that i think that oem's, and aftermarket companies will always miss out on when compared to our pc installs is customization. i can run any number of a multitude of fe's, many are easily customizable to run outside programs, or change the look of the screen--you can change the look of the ui on some aftermarket hu's, but not all.. and if i don't like what is offered, i could even make my own(if i new how to code).

    and the amount of data capacity(i don't know of any oem/aftermarket systems that have 500gb of in-car storage)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundman98 View Post
    and the amount of data capacity(i don't know of any oem/aftermarket systems that have 500gb of in-car storage)...
    this one i'll never understand... in a world where 2tb hard drives are being released.. we have a car company charging $$$$ for 40 gigs? and touting it like it's the HIGH end.. oo look, an ipod with wheels, it must be worth it!
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    something i just noticed... I have been thinking, ever since google decided to add navigation to their android platform.. i've thought.. now THERE is the future.. a proper dock, and the ability to connect to a larger hard drive for media and pow, I've got everything i could ever want.. along with the apps coming out for obdc logging and such..

    then i started pokig around on my driod 2.. and found the dlna stuff.. holy cow. all i could ask for from here is a larger screen! with the carputer providing a share for media and a share for longer term storage of logs.. I'm rethinking my whole setup.
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    They are automotive system grade hard drives, I believe made by Toshiba. 40 gigs were the largest made for this purpose at the time the car went into production. They now offer 80 gigs. And at least 20 gigs are taken up by the GPS storage and system.
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    Yeah...the hard drives that OEMs use aren't normal drives that you can pick up at Fry's. There's still no real excuse for not having larger drives other than the lack of demand, but they'll get there eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wi77iam View Post
    Interesting article on CNet describing the hacking of onboard computers. One group was able to access the ecu via a TPMS receiver from another car while driving. Same vulnerability would potentially exist for any bluetooth devices connected to the car's computer.
    you have to be pretty close to the other car to do this and it's not very practical. They couldn't do any more with it than get warning messages to display on the hid too. I take articles like that as pure FUD. When you are that close to something, you are probably close enough to have physical access and once you do, consider everything compromised.

    In other news, I just realized nobdy has a tcp/ip plugin that essentially exposes the CAN bus to the Internet. Without a proper firewall or authentication system, someone could easily hack into my car, unlock the doors or even figure out where I am.

    If I was like the FUD-creators above, I'd probably pretend like it was a stock GM system and claim that somebody hacked into my car from the internet. I'd probably get more headlines than I would having a otherwise connected car.
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