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    The Future of In-Car Infotainment Systems

    Another look at various OEM car systems, this time from Popular Mechanics:

    The Future of In-Car Infotainment Systems

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    seeing the title, i thought it was another bugbyte thread...

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    But OnStar president Chris Preuss, who calls Facebooking while driving "safe," contends that the benefits of the new technologies outweigh the dangers. He cites a potentially life-saving crash-response system, now in testing by GM. "We can use it to tap into the 1600 sensors in your car and tell how fast you were going before your airbags deployed, and predict what kind of injuries you might have," Preuss says. "So, for instance, we can tell the doctor before you get to the hospital that you have a 70 percent chance of internal injuries and should get an MRI."
    I lost what little request I had left for OnStar after that first sentence. This is also the same system that the police have access to, to shut down your car in a chase. They SAY they only do it if your car is stolen and you give approval....

    Oh, and I REALLY wouldn't trust an automotive company for pre-examination medical diagnosis

    I'll never have a car with these systems. I'd much rather design/build my own, and maintain control of my own vehicle. This might be the future for the masses, but the hobbyist market will never en-mass turn to it rather than custom made solutions.
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    this article touches on the 'black box' laws that are soon to take effect that the GM rep is talking about--but i agree, if i were a doctor, i would laugh at a auto maker telling me what conditions the patient 'could' have:
    http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...xes29_ST_N.htm

    there was a column in the paper a month or two ago about 2 guys fighting for a standard communication protocol, and amount of data required in black box data, and to get a law passed to get black boxes installed in all vehicles, but i can't seem to find it..(it was almost a full page article in the sunday edition, auto section of the chicago tribune)..

    i really don't know what to think about such devices. in one respect, i like the idea because it could help determine what really caused the accident. but if i was behind the wheel, and did something to cause the accident, i doubt i would be as willing to give up that data.. and i think the auto makers are in the same boat-- while they currently use this data for internal use to constantly improve their products, i think they are really scared about what that data could show to the public on how the car handles crashes, or how publicized vehicle problems would become...

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    Knowing exactly how fast a car was going when impact occurred could be very valuable information for the doctor. Now if the car is suggesting you need an MRI, that seems silly. But I think the point is, that information is available because of this technology. It can be used in multifarious ways for beneficial ends. Of course, this (and any) technology can also be used for devious purposes. But would you rather not have technology and stay safe in your bubble?

    Also, about the police turning off your car, OnStar only allows that with owner permission. In the cases were a car was stolen, police and onstar first had to get owner approval first. Just like police need your permission to search your car/home without a warrant. This fear that the police can just stop your car without first either getting permission from you or going through the justice system process to get a warrant is unprecedented. The question really comes down to how much you trust your car manufacturer. And I'm guessing you already trust them with your life since you drive their cars everyday. Furthermore, mal, you run windows and android both of which phone-home regularly and at least one of those gives the ability to the OEM to reach into your device and take control without your permission. If you really want to stand on the moral high ground, you should be making phone calls on an n900 or something a little more "open" .

    I just got a tweet from someone saying they were hunting around town for dougnuts. People are already doing the facebook/twitter thing to tell others what they are doing. Why not provide a safer means to do this in a vehicle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    Knowing exactly how fast a car was going when impact occurred could be very valuable information for the doctor. Now if the car is suggesting you need an MRI, that seems silly. But I think the point is, that information is available because of this technology. It can be used in multifarious ways for beneficial ends. Of course, this (and any) technology can also be used for devious purposes. But would you rather not have technology and stay safe in your bubble?

    Also, about the police turning off your car, OnStar only allows that with owner permission. In the cases were a car was stolen, police and onstar first had to get owner approval first. Just like police need your permission to search your car/home without a warrant. This fear that the police can just stop your car without first either getting permission from you or going through the justice system process to get a warrant is unprecedented. The question really comes down to how much you trust your car manufacturer. And I'm guessing you already trust them with your life since you drive their cars everyday. Furthermore, mal, you run windows and android both of which phone-home regularly and at least one of those gives the ability to the OEM to reach into your device and take control without your permission. If you really want to stand on the moral high ground, you should be making phone calls on an n900 or something a little more "open" .

    I just got a tweet from someone saying they were hunting around town for dougnuts. People are already doing the facebook/twitter thing to tell others what they are doing. Why not provide a safer means to do this in a vehicle?

    If someone calls reporting you are in your house waving a gun around, the police do not need a warrant to enter your home and detain you. So if they believe you did something wrong and are driving your car, how is stopping your car using this system any different? It does come down to how much you trust the manufacturer.. and to be honest I don't. I believe that they would give police this power and I think that eventually it will happen. Yes, Windows update does allow Microsoft access to scan through your computer and collect information, which is why I don't run it. As for Android, if you have any proof of a feature that allows google to gain control of the phone... I challenge you to show me it. I'm talking about advertised services here, not tin-foil hat rumors. I fail to see how the comparison is valid, when neither operating system has any particular feature intended to shut down or otherwise hinder the operation of your computer in the event that the authorities find out you're doing something you're not supposed to.

    So someone I'm sure will say "Then you shouldn't be doing something you're not supposed to", and to that person I pose the question: How many people currently in jail are innocent? The point is that this is an invasion of privacy, and I won't ever buy a vehicle with such a system that I am not in control of if I can at all avoid it.
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