I purchased CF3.5 (Now 3.6) in May. It was full of bugs, support was slow as hell and the limitation was too much... I've switch to RR and honestly, I'm not sure how people say it's harder? if anything I found it easier! Everything is on RRconfig, you tweek it how you want it and bam! everything works.... The best part is that it actually works!
What ****es me off the most though is seeing how CF keeps "Selling" half completed projects and everytime they fix a bug, they call it a new version and make you pay more! I regretted spending money on CF and this will always cause me to discourage anyone from falling in the same mistake. With Skins like Elite on RR and all the plugins available out there, The only reason I could think why someone would get CF over RR is if they didn't try both before buying. (Like I did)
Johnny, I'm guessing you haven't been to the CF forum, which would explain why you don't know about the SQL issue. It's documented and pretty easy to find over there.
CF works great for me. No real issues, my HD radio works great, my nav works (as well as can be expected for Navigator), and the plugins I need work great. I also don't have any problems with the market. I have wifi access to any hotspot, and I use connect to make my playlists so I'm not wasting gas in the car manually hunting/pecking and adding songs. I can't make playlists on my iPod without iTunes, so honestly I don't understand why people are so up in arms about making a playlist in a car.
Are you a developer of apps? So far I haven't heard any complaints from them over at the CF forum about making apps for 3.1/3.5/4.0. Bluetooth doesn't work for a lot of different front-ends, not to mention the only BT stack that works with any phone is the Bluesoleil stack, and the lack of functioning phones with it certainly isn't the fault of CF. Some people get their phones working, some don't.
My front-end choice is CF. It's fast and works for me. I enjoy using it, testing new things with it, and reporting my findings to them in the hopes I can help find bugs that can get fixed in a future release. I'm not sticking up for anybody, but if I see a post about CF (or RR, or OM, or FI) that I know isn't correct, I do my best to bring that to the poster's attention.
Although I don't find it necessary to explain anything I do to anyone on the internet, I felt it necessary in this case.
i'm glad that cf works for you kegobeer. but the point is, that cf customers have to pay for releases which just have some more eye candys but no big improvements. further a lot of users have complained about bugs which are still not fixed - but you have to pay to be up-to-date. i'm disapointed of fluxmedia, not of centrafuse itself. cf satisfied nearly all my needs, but now i'm not willing to pay for a simple update (which is 4.0 in my eyes).
it's their behaviour in release politics what so much customers force to use another frontend (like me). when you complain about something in fluxmedia forum, your posting will be either deleted or the answer is simple that you should buy other hardware, lol. the lack of programmers at fluxmedia make them force to release new versions which just deserve the state of an update.
I have been to the forum, I knew what the problem was as soon as I saw the playlist was screwed up. The problem I had was that it was not included and I should not have to search the web and scour the forums to install a needed piece of software. And your HD works great, does it work great like mine and always unmute the line when the computer starts so the radio and the music is going at the same time? Have you been to the CF forum, very few people seem to be happy with what is going on. Many people who have paid good money and been with CF since the beginning are leaving.I love CF it was my bread and butter since it started but come on, how many years of development does it take before you have a solid product, forget all the pretty features. I would have thought by now we would have some really stable cool stuff and some neat experimental things. And no I am not a developer, are you? I am however a customer who has purchased a product which is supposed to do what it says it does. I am not even upset about the nav feature , I think garmin is way better anyways. I would just like to have seen it grow like I thought it would when this craze started and it has not. I am not here to argue with you I am just an upset customer who thinks this whole situation stinks, also I can't seem to register BlueSoleil and their webiste = ****, and yes I did try offline mode that is also down. RR maybe it is time to try you and let you love me.
If you've been to the CF forums, you've no doubt seen my posts. I'm not a developer, I'm just an avid user and forum poster, helping out where I can. I've done a lot of testing with CF software and various devices, so I use that to try and help people solve their problems. I agree the SQL thing wasn't handled very well, and I've asked the team to put that information where the download links are, because it's ridiculous to expect a new user to search for basic information. That alone will drive people away from CF. I also posted a sticky about it and gave a link to SQL CE SP2.
My HD radio does indeed work great. When I installed Mitch's software and drivers, it worked. I verified that "listen to this device" was unchecked in the Windows recording devices dialog. I can listen to it, turn off the car, turn it back on, and the radio will resume. If I am listening to music, it resumes. I've never had any music/radio simultaneous playback. Based on comments from a bunch of people, it seems the Visteon is a better device than the other HD radios - if you don't have one, that might be the problem. I don't know.
Regarding Garmin PC software - since it was discontinued by Garmin, there's nothing anyone can do about that.
BS does indeed suck, but it's the only BT stack in town. There have been a few posts from people saying 6.x works better with 4.0 and 3.6 than the 8.x release does, so you might consider trying that version. There's also been a post about the registration issue - BS knows there's an issue and is working it.
Please, do try out RR. In fact, you should try using FreeIce - it's a great front-end that I'm trying out. I prefer it over RR by leaps and miles.
I was debating whether I really wanted to dive into this particular cesspool, but what the heck, I'm already dirty.
I guess there's something about cars or computers (or maybe its just guys) that fosters the "us and them" mentality. There's the Chevy and Ford guys, the Windows and Linux guys, the age-old battle between "taste's great" and "less filling". I guess the attraction is that it makes for a simple narrative. Good vs Evil, right vs wrong....winners and losers. I never really understood the concept. The idea that only one product could exist in a given market and be truely valuable.....that all others were inferior. Maybe its a desire to be on the winning team. "Brand X has 80% of the market, I use Brand X, ergo I MUST be the winner". Powerful psychology, for sure.
And of course, its complete nonsense. Diversity and competition are the keys to success in any ecosystem. Would anybody on this forum describe "easy configuration" as RideRuner's biggest strength? Why not? I'd say that's been a know problem with RideRunner for quite some time. Why hasn't it been fixed? How many skins are available of OM? It's been out for over a year, why aren't there more apps and skins available? It's supposed to be the most advanced front end on the market. Each of the major and minor frontends have their strengths and weaknesses. In the course of becoming an active carPC hobbiest, most folks will use several different frontends before settling on one they are the most comfortable with. And as people become more knowledgable and experienced, what they look for in a frontend may change, too.
And price has nothing to do with it. If CF did everything you wanted it to do 100% of the time, would you pay $1000 for it? Why not, If it meets every one of your desires for a carPC frontend? Surely $1000 isn't too much to ask for complete fullfillment? Oh, your desire for a "perfect" frontend isn't $1000 strong? So how much less than perfect are you willing to accept? How does 90% less sound? (you see where i'm going with this , don't you?).
If CF doesn't do it for you, move on. Chances are probably in the 75-90% range you'll give it another try down the road. Circle of Life, Hakuna Matata, Yin and Yang, Cheech and Chong......well, you get my drift.
Hehehe...that was fun.
I respectfully disagree with the above comment about price having nothing to do with it. I am more inclined to except more deficiencies from a product that cost $10 bucks and I have to fiddle with it to get it to operate like I want, than a product that cost at least 8 times as much to start with, that I have to fiddle with, and can't get it to do what I want. Big difference, see where I am going with this?
Hmmm, interesting concept. You and I value things differently. Clearly then, one of us MUST be wrong. Otherwise, there would be two people on the Internet at the same time that didn't agree. Heaven forbid THAT should ever happen.
Originally Posted by g4sho
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