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    Its a pain I agree! BUT PUT UP WITH IT


    The only real bug bear for me is having to redo the music library everytime, it takes ages getting through 150gb

    Could old and new XML files not be merged or appended to one another?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShawJohn View Post
    Could old and new XML files not be merged or appended to one another?
    Sure they could... I do it all the time when I rev my own releases.
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    stop that !

    Software is always buggy !

    Other Companies just give you a software (for money!) stated as "full tested" and it is pure beta... (And worse: they don't update their crap !)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FMode View Post
    Software is always buggy !
    Are you guys ragging on me? Take a look at the bug list and tell me if you think that CF is usable _right now_, i.e., would you pay money for it? The integration with Destinator is still weird; XM is hosed; mixer control is loose; the phone control has issues; mouse cursor control is off; there's a HUGE memory leak; the "updater" concept is way broken... And this is the eighth "release candidate".

    I agree that there are bugs in release software, but not to the point of crippling the major components of what my money is paying for. This is the ugly side of a beta - the side that points out the problems and hopefully gets them dealt with. As a developer you HAVE to accept the bad with the good, and there are very few people on this forum pointing out the bad.


    fwiw, I'm not moving away from CF - I'm not a fan of any other frontend - but CF has a long way to go before it's released.

    I can appreciate David being anxious to get this thing out and done with, and I can sympathize that he's probably pretty fed up with these bugs and thus the project. He needs to buckle down, get some coding help, and get some better pre-RC release "alpha" testers. Bugs like those that are being found are showing up WAY too late in the "RC" process. This isn't RC-land, this is early beta.
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    Basicly the problem lies withing the naming, Release Candidate, as long as they are still adding features, it basicly not a RC :-)

    Everyone wants more features, the forum is filled with posts about this :-) Nobody is satisfied, everyone wants every single little feature from every other frontend out there, everyone want the little features that makes sense to them.

    Looking back (I was not of this impression 3-12 months ago), CF should probably have been released with Media, DVD, Navigation and external appl embedding, core features + ability to add whatever people want! Everything else is nice to have and can be added as modules, future releases etc.

    Currently a lot of people has lost confidence in CF ever getting out and David is struggling with tons of small bugs....

    But i also know that heīs bugged by distributors for features, i guess itīs difficult to satisfy everyone.... But this is a the nicest frontend out there IMO, and even with just Media and Navigation (which satisfies 99% of my usage) I think it would kick ***.

    PS, now that we know they can do cool websites, I really miss a bug-tracking system. Shouldnīt take long to establish, and I see a LOT of repeating bugs + frustrated users not understanding whether their bug-reports have been confirmed. User describes the but in his/her own words, david updates the bug list with the text that makes sense to him, these two things doesnt always correspond => confusion :-)
    Simple bug-tracking would solve this.....
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    Paying for CF now ? absolutly !
    PayPal ?

    Paying for CF now AND getting NO bugfixes in the future AND NO moving to open source ? I would him !

    Why is CF so strong ?
    its the CF Plugin Interface !
    (and therefore Streetdeck hasn't a chance!)

    I can change buttons, skins and whatever in every frontend so I guess I can make any frontend looking like CF -
    but the Plugin Interface (togehther with its completeness) makes it kick.
    Yeah there are other frontends which have "plugins" but hey latebinding and messageing with strings suxx a lot.
    I can write Plugins in MY language and that is VB(.NET) and don't have to stick to a stooopid script language.

    And this is also the key for getting developing help.
    All components of CF should be seen as plugins - means their interface should inherit from CFPlugin and so: CFNaviPlugin inherits from CFplugin. (may be its also a good idea to OPEN the source of SOME components - OBD, Radio ?).

    For me this would mean after I finish my Radiodrivers I would rewrite CFRadioPlugin completly to kick *** - so David can do other things.

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    omg it has been done already !
    I guess the CFMappoint-plugin has some integration-weaknesses compared to Destinator"plugin" ? (because it hasn't the same interface to CF's "main container")

    BTW: sorry for my Developer-Mumbo-Jumbo in a "public" subboard

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    It seems to me that it's getting very close to being ready considering how I use it. I don't use phone, native navigation, OBD, TV or radio, so I'm unable to comment on the usability of those features. If XM is going to be included in the commercial release it should be cleaned up (which David has acknowledged), but all the other features I'm using are working quite well. The number of bug posts seems to have decreased significantly with the last two releases.

    If it were released now I would buy it because it's quite useful to me. I also recognize that David has likely put thousands of hours into this and presumably hasn't made a nickel off of it. I don't see anything wrong with wanting to help him, especially since I'm actually using the software. That being said, I would be disappointed if I paid for it now and the bugs weren't cleaned up or the listed future features weren't implemented within a reasonable time (6 months?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbreeden View Post
    I don't use phone, native navigation, OBD, TV or radio, so I'm unable to comment on the usability of those features. If XM...
    So, what do you use? Are you only launching external apps?

    And yeah... in my environment AIMEE, CFMappoint, Calc and Calendar (all external apps) work great - as does CF when used as a user plugin & subclassing host.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midiwall View Post
    So, what do you use? Are you only launching external apps?
    Here's my setup:

    Native CF features: Media, DVD, XM and Web.

    Plugins: Notepad, Calculator and iGuidance.

    Embedded Programs: PowerDesk Pro 6.0, Outlook 2000, WiFi Hopper, and Weather Pulse

    I don't use phone because my car has a built-in hands free link. I don't use the native navigation because I'm familiar with iGuidance, already own it, and like its US routing capabilities. I have no need for TV or OBD.

    I recognize that everyone has differents needs, but the above setup works quite well for me, with the exception of the XM issues. The only other feature that's really important to me is support for DSP plugins, which David has listed as a future feature.

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    @midiwall

    100% agree. I wrote that approx. 1 year ago and nothing changed.
    So i still use cf 1.2 in my car and ... from time to time i try a beta.
    But they are so worse ... you canīt use them in your car.
    (some of them even didnīt install)

    My idea (a year ago) was something like a deadline from where
    no more features were added. Then it should be rock solid release
    and after the final release, more features should be added in future
    releases.

    This (combined with a minimum of marketing) should have worked fine.

    But now (and i use cf for more than TWO years) there are thousands
    new features in cf, but the software gets more ununsable from release to
    release.

    To be honest - from my experience in the last two years - i really doubt
    that we will ever see a working final release - at least not before summer
    2007.

    Thats a shame, because i think the concept behind cf is way better than
    the other frontends and david is a very skilled programmer .. but .. he
    is only a programmer --- and a bad salesman.

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