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    Quote Originally Posted by WuNgUn View Post
    So I'd need a servo to operate the temp dial and a servo for the vent selector...the fan speeds, rear defrost and A/C can be controlled as analogue outputs I'm assuming?
    You could put a servo on the actual dials, or on the shaft of the door the dial controls, if you do it that way, you might want to try using masteros Aircon.

    Rear defrost - Digital out/relay as no analog control is needed.

    AC - the compressor would just be a digital out where you find the "AC request" lead from the existing controller to the ECU.

    The blower motor is an analog thing, but:

    It also draws something like 30-40 Amps.. Which is way, way, way too much for any of the controller I/O cards we're talking about on thier own.
    If your setup has a blower resistor, you can just use some digital outputs to operate relays across the sections of the resistor. For variable speed, there are some more options, but from here it gets more custom. A power resistor can be controlled with a low power analog out (fusion has been working on one for a bit, I'm personally waiting on this patiently with my fingers crossed). Some power resistor/fan setups use Pulse width modulation, which is no good. I mean it's great and effficient and all, but there are not many PWM control methods available to us. I'm finding that a Honda power transistor placed in the air stream, like a blower resistor is a good solution, as it uses a direct analog votage control input.

    Quote Originally Posted by WuNgUn View Post
    Then have it monitor interior temps, and have the PC control fan speed/temp to maintain the selected temp...
    Am I missing anything else?
    Well that all depends on how "OEM" you want the control to work:

    If all you want is "manual control" it's pretty straight forward. but if you want to be able to make the output temperature what the dial says with any accuracy, or even better you want it to control the actual interior temperature accurately. You have to account for sunload and ambient losses, & not just have it react temperature changes. Otherwise the control wil be all over the place, like a roller coaster. There are many other aspects of automatic control that I am presently working on, if you have any more specific questions (even vehicle specific) or ideas I'd be glad to lend a hand and share my experience. You might want to check out my modernity thread in the skins subforum of the fusion subforum, here. And also my Automatic AC control thread in the fusion subforum directly.

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    Cool, cool...
    Are you sure PWM's wouldn't be suited for this kinda motor control? It would give a nice, smooth stepless control. And I've built a few PWM in my day (for LED drivers)...

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    PWM is the method of choice for many of the OEM Blower control signals and motor drive circuits (Chevrolet comes to mind, for starters). I have just avoided it, because it's not widely available for aftermarket methods of controlling these. And I'm not building a from-scratch PIC based solution. I suppose you could gut a more advanced HVAC controller and use the motor control module (usually seperate).

    But if you have the desire and the skill, go for it. I'd be interested in seeing it done for this application.

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    All the PWM I've built in the past have used a variable resistor to control the output...
    Isn't there someway for the Fusionbrain to signal the PWM in a similar way?

    hmmm...why was I thinking it had digital AND analogue outputs??

    I've found out that most Fords with climate control use a linear voltage control device and not a PWM...
    It receives an input of around 1.5v for low-speed fan operation, and a maximum of 5v for full power to the blower...
    And it's totally variable inbetween.
    I guess a digital output on the FB wouldn't be able to control this...

    I guess Phidget is the better solution for this? They already have a 30A DC motor control module!!
    http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?product_id=1064

    And you don't even need the 'brain' for this module...it connects straight to the PC thru USB....YES!!!

    I gotta findout if my cars blower is brushless or not (doesn't work with brushless)...I think almost all cars are brushed.

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    I think I'm going to try this...
    Phidgets 30A motor controller...
    4-motor servo controller...
    This should be able to control my HVAC (minus A/C, defrost, recirculate buttons)...
    Now I need a couple of high-torque servos with almost 300 degrees of sweep...

    This part of it I can handle...
    Integrating it into Centrafuse, I don't even know where to begin!

    I was also thinking a couple of temp sensors, humidity sensor, for which I'll need the interface module...and if I'm going to get that, I might as well get the accelerometer too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WuNgUn View Post
    This part of it I can handle...
    Integrating it into Centrafuse, I don't even know where to begin!

    I was also thinking a couple of temp sensors, humidity sensor, for which I'll need the interface module...and if I'm going to get that, I might as well get the accelerometer too!
    Have a look at this thread: http://forums.fluxmedia.net/showthread.php?t=2383
    Skinning to go... VisualDesigner2!

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    Solution?

    Would an arduino board work for this?

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