FORD ISO9141 - can any OBD2 tools sniff it correctly?

**Lukeyson** · 06-21-2008, 07:56 PM

Ford seems to have some sort of proprietary implementation of ISO9141 on it's cars.

My experience is that the ELM and J2534 style tools can send and receive messages on Ford's ISO9141, but they can't be used effectively for sniffing because of the custom way that Ford implement the message length.

The tools appear to concatenate query and reply messages, thinking they are one message, and error when the message length is too long.

Has anyone else experienced this or found a way around it? I'd imagine that support for this method would need to be added to the microcode on an ELM for it to work right.

Lukeyson

**techbod** · 06-22-2008, 01:55 AM

not sure if this can help
http://www.scantool.net/support/inde...&kbarticleid=3

**Lukeyson** · 06-22-2008, 03:56 AM

Interesting link, but not helpful for my specific issue.

These are Australian Fords, and the German Bosch 5.3 ABS modules, Canadian Airbag Modules and Mexican Bosch Reverse Park Aid Modules all use what appears to be an implementation of ISO9141 that does not conform 100% to the standard - like in the 1st byte format and the Init process.

It's curious to note that not even that Ford Protocols table shows ISO for Ford. But then I find that a lot - US or European specifications that don't match what Ford builds in Australia.

Lukeyson

**techbod** · 06-22-2008, 04:16 AM

fords in the UK tend to lean toward KPW2000 and ISO was mentioned before but I never seen it,
the ABS 5.3 Bosch can be probed with a breakout box due to the small size of the cable adapter there are a few ABS systems used here Mecatronic III / Mecatronic III with traction control ( TCS ) and of course Bosch 5.3

**joeyoravec** · 06-22-2008, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Lukeyson

The tools appear to concatenate query and reply messages, thinking they are one message, and error when the message length is too long.

You probably need to adjust the P-timers. When there's a delay you use these timers to decide if you got one long message or two separate messages. The timeout is surely faster for non-emissions networks. Don't you have a Mongoose? It's adjustable on there.

**techbod** · 06-22-2008, 08:53 AM

Mongoose now that looks interesting ( I googled it ) not available in the UK hmmmm I wonder why as the cash register clicks at the dealers lol

**Lukeyson** · 06-23-2008, 08:34 AM

Well, while I do I have a Mongoose, the problem is I don't have two. You see, when I am using J2534 software with the tool (Like Ford Module Programming for example), I need something else to sniff what's going on.....

Lukeyson