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    Enhanced PIDs from ISO-documents?

    Hello,

    Posted this also under development... but saw this subforum later

    Im software engineer student doing my Bachelor project in a company. My goal is to connect to any vehicle using OBD-II (ELM327 chosen), and to get various data. After some research i come to that only some generic PIDs are available for the common man.. But what I need is to get is the enhanced data, such as co2 for example. I found out that you can get this information from certain ISO-documents that you have to buy. I found a specific one that seems like the best: ISO 14229-1:2006

    So I wonder if anyone had any experience with this documents, and do they contain more PIDs that are generic, or is it very specific from manufacturer to manufacturer?

    Any help would be very helpful as this documents are quite expensive (250$)

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    ISO and SAE only specify the generic part of EOBD/OBD2. The manuals have different names but the content is the same between an ISO document and its counterpart from the SAE.
    Enhanced data is manufacturer specific and even more difficult to find than the generic data and they are not for sale anyware.
    Are you sure you need co2 (carbondioxide)? Don't you mean O2 values (oxygen sensor values)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoarF View Post
    So I wonder if anyone had any experience with this documents, and do they contain more PIDs that are generic, or is it very specific from manufacturer to manufacturer?
    Completely different from manufacturer to manufacturer if you want to go beyond OBD2. The ISO documents are extremely expensive compared to the SAE documents, but they're technically equivalent. You won't find much interesting there. If you bother stick with the SAE documents since they're significantly cheaper.

    Unfortunately the automakers release enhanced information through a scantool industry organization and membership costs $10k+ per year. Contact www.etools.org if you want to try for membership but all university students that I've ever referred have come up dry. I suggest changing projects if you can't get what you need from OBD2

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    Roarf, don't you get any support from the company you say you work for?
    Is this just for fun or are they planning to do something with your software? If so, then they can afford to buy a couple of SAE-standards. You would need at least Sae J1979 to see the latest specification. There are a lot more pids and functions than you can find on the internet. This will be the best spend 61 dollars of your live.
    See what has changed here: http://engineers.ihs.com/document/ab...QIACAAAAAAAAAA

    How much time do you have for this project?

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    p2psmurf, are you suggesting that for $61 you'd get access to all enhanced(manufacturer specific) PIDs for ALL manufacturers ? And a document about SAE J1979 will have all that information ?

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    Were did you read enhanced? I think the above statement is very clear: "ISO and SAE only specify the generic part of EOBD/OBD2."
    The advice was triggered by the following statement: "My goal is to connect to any vehicle using OBD-II (ELM327 chosen), and to get various data."
    The keyword here us "any". that includes the newest vehicles that use the 2007 spec of J1979. If you wan to read the generic data from such a vehicle you will need the latest spec from the SAE.

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    Read the original post again, I suppose you stopped reading half way through. Here is the rest of it again -

    "After some research i come to that only some generic PIDs are available for the common man.. But what I need is to get is the enhanced data"

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    and duh...the title of the thread itself!! - "Enhanced PIDs from ISO documents"

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    Why don't you read the whole thread? Two people have explained that such a thing does not exist.

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    Ok, thanks for answers

    What i really need is to get enviromental related data.. If there was a PID for Co2 that would be great.. will there be specified more PIDs in SAE J1979 than you could read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBD-II_PIDs ?

    And yes my company could afford to buy some standards... And if it applies only to newer cars its no problem... only as long as it is a standard..

    Im greatfull for any answers

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