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    Fleece+Resin and then fibreglass???

    Hello.

    I have this little idea. Instead of using my already very small trunk for my three amps, I got this crazy idea today to instead put the amps behind my seats in my BMW Z3 Roadster. Then they are out of the way, there is way better cooling in behind the seats compared to a completely sealed trunk and it makes for a very easy removal should I choose to sell the car. The plan is to build a fibreglass chassis to house the amps and use forced cooling, ie fans to provide extra cooling. A cooling tunnel is a very effective way of cooling things down.

    I am not keen to bring fibreglass and a lot of resin into my beloved leather interior. The normal procedure would be to first tape off the area to be glassed and then apply mat and resin for a few layers. Let it dry and then take it out to complete it.
    My plan is rather to bring in a large piece of fleece. First tape off the area and of course put masking all over the car should I tip the container with the resin. Bring the fleece into place and then apply very little resin. Just so much that it keeps the shape. Wait a few hours, lift fleecepanel out and apply lots of resin. Then I would have the shape I need. And I can then fibreglass the hell out of it.

    Waddaya think? Am I missing something? I can't fibreglass on the outside of the fleece afterwards, as it would build up and the fleece would no longer fit into the compartment behind the seats.

    If I get no replies, I will start this tomorrow if it doesn't rain.

    :-)

    No guts, no glory!!! Will put up some photos tomorrow as well.

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    Mask off everything and assume you are going to make a mess. Stretch the fleece as tight as you can...and then stretch it more! If there is even a hint of a wrinkle it will only be intensified by adding the resin...and even a little wrinkle can cause hours of painfull sanding in the end. Apply tons of resin to the fleece until it is soaked through. Very little will actually make it through the fleece fabric but you never know. Make sure there is plenty of ventilation and wear a mask. When the piece has cured pull it out and if you can, add layers to the back side instead of the front (again, this will save you sanding time). When it is thick enough, use bondo on the front to get a smooth finish. Bondo is 1000 times easier to sand than fiberglass resin so keep this in mind throughout your project. Sand the bondo using 100 grit, add more bondo if you need to touch things up, sand again with 100 grit, then go over it with 250 grit, then paint or vinyl it. (carpet is fine too, but it won't show off your hours of standing as well as paint or vinyl)

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    When we make an enclosure for a plasma or something similar, we use a large fleece blanket. it makes bondo placement and final sanding alot easier...

    if you use fleece on the front, you can use alot of resin because it soaks it up... when all the fleece is a darker colour than the original, dry it and pull it out.. use the fiberglass on the back to give it strength...

    if a garbage bag gets dripped on by resin, it will melt through.. so dont use them to mask, use more fleece...

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    Hey! What a quick reply! Thanks.

    I was indeed planning to use black garbage bags for masking...:-) Maybe it would be easier to take the seats out...Nah! Hmm, need to think about what to mask with then. Or just be REALLY careful and only bring on very little resin at a time. I can lean over the car from the outside since it is a convertible. The I should be pretty safe.

    A question. Can I just add some resin to maintain the shape and then soak up the fleece with more resin AFTER the first resin has dried? I think yes, but have you ever tried such an approach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudster

    A question. Can I just add some resin to maintain the shape and then soak up the fleece with more resin AFTER the first resin has dried? I think yes, but have you ever tried such an approach?
    if you use enough resin (brushed on) the entire surface should be hard.. the fleece will be coated, thus solid, no more resin will be absorbed.. when the whole thing is hard, you can pull it out..

    also another thing that was said above about stretching the fabric is very very true.. it needs to be tight enough that it holds the shape you want BEFORE APPLYING RESIN..

    using hot glue (white sticks melted) to secure the cloth should be okay if its applied on the metal of your car.. put duct tape on the metal and apply the glue to it.. when you pull off the duct tape after, clean the residue with fantastic or something similar..
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    Crap, crap, crap!!! It is raining, raining and raining. And even a bit of snowing!!! Come on weathergods, I need sunshine to do this!

    Hmm, maybe in the weekend?

    BAF

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    Aaaand that went to hell...:-)

    Finally the sun came back and spring was in the air. Get outside, line up the tinfoil, was too lazy to tape. On with the fleece. Could not secure it to the firewall, no place really to secure it. On with the resin and all that happened was that as soon as the brush touched the fleece, the fleece stuck to the brush and the whole fleece blanket started to move out of position. I managed to soak up the fleece quite a bit, dang that fleece is thirsty, but in the end I decided not to continue. It didn't stick to the firewall like I wanted to. Too many folds. So I took everything out and now I am going to do it with chop mat...Seems like the old and trusted way works the best. Will finish this on thursday, if the sun shines that is.

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    Fleece only works if you can stretch it and glue and/or staple it securely into place.

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    Yeah, I know that...after failing...:-) Will give it a second try, but this time with chop mat like all the big boys do. Oh well, live and learn.

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    I would so take my interior out. I took it out of my car so that I could fiberglass and run all the wires without worrying about the seats and carpet. I could only imagine the z3 would be easier cause its smaller then my sunfire.

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