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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    That's actually .0782...not .782...

    If I jumper the two outside pins for that analog input, I get .15~.16

    Normal?
    No, you should see 5V. The innermost is the onboard 5V supply, and the outer pin is the sensing point. So you should see the full 5V at that particular input. Is it that way for all of the analog inputs? If so, there's likely something wrong with the brain. Maybe check the voltage at the innermost pin with a meter. And with your sensor attached, maybe you can check the sensing pin with a meter too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    That's actually .0782...not .782...

    If I jumper the two outside pins for that analog input, I get .15~.16

    Normal?
    No that means something is fried. You should get 5v if you jumper them.

    Is this on all ports, or just the one?
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    Wait, I'm confused....the past two posts kinda contradict each other.

    Specifically, which two pins should I short?

    The inside and one of the outside pins? If so, which outside pin?

    The two outside pins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    No that means something is fried. You should get 5v if you jumper them.

    Is this on all ports, or just the one?
    A1 = 4.9
    A0 ~ 0.07
    A3 = 0.2737
    A5 = 0.391
    A4 = 0.87
    A7 = 1.3294
    A6 = 1.85
    A9 = 2.7321
    A8 = 4.49

    What's strange (and maybe it's normal?) when I short these they all show up under Analogue Input #01 under the Virtual Brain....is that normal?
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    Hardware Manual

    Figure 2. on page 3. Lower right box:

    Pin 1 to Pin 3 should make FCC see 5V. Pin 2 to Pin 3 should read 0V.
    Pin 1 to Pin 2 should be avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    A1 = 4.9
    A0 ~ 0.07
    A3 = 0.2737
    A5 = 0.391
    A4 = 0.87
    A7 = 1.3294
    A6 = 1.85
    A9 = 2.7321
    A8 = 4.49
    That's odd, but it's likely the other ones are reading noise, due to the way the PIC reads the voltages in. What is important is what the particular input you are jumpering reads, when you jumper it. Is that what this list is? If so, it looks like only A1 is working properly. That's why I assume that this is a list of all inputs when A1 is jumpered.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post

    What's strange (and maybe it's normal?) when I short these they all show up under Analogue Input #01 under the Virtual Brain....is that normal?
    I kind of know what you are talking about, and I thought it was just me. It seems like you have to create an instance of each input in the skin to get the input to show up correctly, in the right place, on the Virtual Brain. That's been my experience before.

    So if you only have an instance of A1 in the skin, and you jumper A5, you will see garbage on the Virtual Brain. It may not be the case, but I thought it was worth sharing that experience of mine. I disregarded it before, as inputs that I'm not using don't matter...usually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    A1 = 4.9
    A0 ~ 0.07
    A3 = 0.2737
    A5 = 0.391
    A4 = 0.87
    A7 = 1.3294
    A6 = 1.85
    A9 = 2.7321
    A8 = 4.49

    What's strange (and maybe it's normal?) when I short these they all show up under Analogue Input #01 under the Virtual Brain....is that normal?
    You mean each label reads something when you short right? So you get a stepped sort of tier down. If so that is normal. If not, then please post a screenshot.

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    Hardware Manual

    Figure 2. on page 3. Lower right box:

    Pin 1 to Pin 3 should make FCC see 5V. Pin 2 to Pin 3 should read 0V.
    Pin 1 to Pin 2 should be avoided.
    Pin 1 to 2 should not just be avoided, it should NEVER be done. That is shorting power to ground. It will destroy your Fusion Brain.

    Quote Originally Posted by h3rk View Post
    I kind of know what you are talking about, and I thought it was just me. It seems like you have to create an instance of each input in the skin to get the input to show up correctly, in the right place, on the Virtual Brain. That's been my experience before.

    So if you only have an instance of A1 in the skin, and you jumper A5, you will see garbage on the Virtual Brain. It may not be the case, but I thought it was worth sharing that experience of mine. I disregarded it before, as inputs that I'm not using don't matter...usually.
    That is not true. The labels on the virtual brain read in exactly what it tells the program. Even if you only have 1 analogue input, the byte stream it reads contains basic data for every input regardless. It passes that data directly to the Virtual Brain Form, no middle man. It is the exact same data source that the function parser uses, same source the logger uses, same source the gui uses. 1 big static list in RAM. So it will never display garbage, only what it uses. If you have auto-averaging turned on, it will show the value after having been averaged because that averaged value is again what is used everywhere else in the program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    Pin 1 to 2 should not just be avoided, it should NEVER be done. That is shorting power to ground. It will destroy your Fusion Brain.
    My sarcasm/humor did not come across well.


    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    That is not true. The labels on the virtual brain read in exactly what it tells the program. Even if you only have 1 analogue input, the byte stream it reads contains basic data for every input regardless. It passes that data directly to the Virtual Brain Form, no middle man. It is the exact same data source that the function parser uses, same source the logger uses, same source the gui uses. 1 big static list in RAM. So it will never display garbage, only what it uses. If you have auto-averaging turned on, it will show the value after having been averaged because that averaged value is again what is used everywhere else in the program.
    That's good info to know. I don't know what I was seeing then...nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h3rk View Post
    Hardware Manual

    Figure 2. on page 3. Lower right box:

    Pin 1 to Pin 3 should make FCC see 5V. Pin 2 to Pin 3 should read 0V.
    Pin 1 to Pin 2 should be avoided.
    Good to see there's a manual now! There wasn't when I looked for one just a few weeks ago.






    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    You mean each label reads something when you short right? So you get a stepped sort of tier down. If so that is normal. If not, then please post a screenshot.
    I can short each and every one individually, yet it always shows up under A1 on the Virtual Brain. I never get any of the others to show up. Shorting A8 on the brain, will get A1 on the virtual brain to show up with the reading.



    Pin 1 to 2 should not just be avoided, it should NEVER be done. That is shorting power to ground. It will destroy your Fusion Brain.
    Good thing I didn't do that...



    That is not true. The labels on the virtual brain read in exactly what it tells the program. Even if you only have 1 analogue input, the byte stream it reads contains basic data for every input regardless. It passes that data directly to the Virtual Brain Form, no middle man. It is the exact same data source that the function parser uses, same source the logger uses, same source the gui uses. 1 big static list in RAM. So it will never display garbage, only what it uses. If you have auto-averaging turned on, it will show the value after having been averaged because that averaged value is again what is used everywhere else in the program.
    So then....is it safe to assume that this FB is toasted? What do I need to do to get a replacement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    Good to see there's a manual now! There wasn't when I looked for one just a few weeks ago.
    Manual has been on mp3car in its own post since March 08: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/docu...er-manual.html

    And has been in various topic relies since end of summer 2007.


    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    I can short each and every one individually, yet it always shows up under A1 on the Virtual Brain. I never get any of the others to show up. Shorting A8 on the brain, will get A1 on the virtual brain to show up with the reading.
    So then....is it safe to assume that this FB is toasted? What do I need to do to get a replacement?
    If that is true, then something is wrong hardware wise.

    Send us it back, and we will send you a new one. Send us an email at FusionControlCentre at gmail dot com and we will replace it. `s
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