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    Well, i live in charlotte, NC. And it just so happens that the surrounding area has decided to put a 3 year pilot program for Speed-limit enforcement into action.

    Basically, anywhere the govt thinks that they have "high-speeding" or "high-crash" areas, they set up cameras equipped with radar devices. If You are driving on one of these roads and get scanned as going more than 4 miles over the speed limit, You Get A Ticket. $50 dollar fine, and more if it clocked you going 15 mph over the limit.

    This feels like such a invasion of... something. They might as well install devices to automatically make all of the cars detect and go exactly the speed limit.

    Another problem is that the ticket is sent to the owner of the vehicle. So if your son needs to take your vehicle out for a night, and blows by one of these things, You get the ticket. It's a slim chance that you'll remember who was driving when you recieve the ticket in the mail a week later.

    But you know, its really is great. You drive along on the streets and all the sudden the guy in front of you is slamming on his breaks cause he just saw the camera, and needs to sneak by. IT really cuts down on wrecks.

    oh but don't fret now, it all goes to the school system....

    Anyway.. thats my rant, anyone else have these cameras set up in their area? If not it wont be long...


    heres some linkage about it:
    http://www.charmeck.org/Departments/...nforcement.htm
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    correct me if i'm wrong (since i'm not from the UK), but dont they have they everywhere over there? AND didnt someone come out with a database of all the cameras and little GPS device that sits on your dash and warns you everytime you get near one?

    "No DMV or insurance points will go against the person cited" PHEW, thats at least one good thing... my insurance is high enough as it is, and i've never even gotten a speeding ticket! (not saying that i dont speed though )

    "The need for reasonable speed limits is obvious. Speed limits are established by traffic engineers and transportation officials with the purpose of creating the safe and efficient movement of traffic." BULL****.... i've seen the work of these so called "traffic designers" before... keep your work, my three year old can do better.

    you want to reduce driving accidents? TRAIN GOOD DRIVERS. put in a REAL drivers ed system, instead of handing out a licence to anyone who demonstrates they can drive on a 25mph road for 5 minutes.

    BAD drivers cause accidents. GOOD drivers can drive considerably faster than bad drivers, and still be SAFER.

    the long and short of it is we have far too many unskilled motorists on the road that never should have gotten their license. Punishing the good drivers because because the local state/city let too many bad drivers on the road seems like a really ****ty solution two me...


    ok, i'm done with my rant too... I consider myself to be a very skilled driver, and spend about 2 1/2 hours on the road a day, and take particular offence to things like this.
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    • #3
      Yeah, we have them alover the place here. its stupid.

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      • #4
        the only reason i've ever gotten into accidents was because of ignorant, unskilled drivers. I was rear ended by a truck 3 times my car's size, i rear ended a woman who slammed on her brakes to go around a bump in the road, and hit by 3 kids in a tin can ford festiva. The guy in the truck didn't see me, the lady (who was driving a van with no kids in it) said she didn't want to ruin her suspension (it was a minor bump) and the kids blew a stop sign and hit me head on. I have never caused an accident and my parents tell me i'm a wreakless driver. speeding shouldn't be illegal, because the accidents that would be caused by speeding morons would help thin out the surplus population. Auto picture taking by speed posts is stupid, by the time you can see them your already speeding so it gives you no oppurtunity to slow down in time. They're going to make a fortune!!! I think Wyoming had no speed limits during daylight hours up until around 1995 and they had record lows in accidents, fatal or otherwise. But, as soon as they starting posting speed limits the accidents hit record highs. Speed limits put people on edge because they have to worry about being pulled over. If I had no limit on my speed I would be gunning it left and right, but i know when to slow down so more than likely I wouldn't cause an accident. I'm confident in my ability... its everyone else that scares me

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        • #5
          dammed right...
          by far most accidents I'm seen were caused by drivers slamming on their breaks instead of taking other more intelligent manuvers. of course if you cant drive worth S**T, then your only option is to hit the brakes..... which is exactly why I get so ****ed off at the state's giving away a licence to anyone who can drive 25mph for 5 minutes without wrecking....
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          • #6
            Oh yeah. We have them. Nothing worst than getting blinded by the flash of one going off when someone speeds coming the other way. Lights up the night like day.

            And even though we are told they are for safety enforcement, they aren't allowed to put them where they are most needed (schools, highstreets, outside shopping centres), they are only allowed to put them where a large majority of road users might speed, i.e the hundreds of miles of almost straight dual carriageways, (think highways and interstates) where it is the safest place of all to break a limit if you must. And they reduce the limits too, so a road that was 70 before the camera gets reduced to 40. Sm more people get caught.

            Only thing is, where they place them makes the most money. Where they can't place cameras, they put in speed humps, and make half the traffic wait to go against the flow using chicanes.



            Oh and if you get flashed you also get points on your license. 12 points and you are back to walking/public transport. You think they don't want people to pay taxes through buying fuel when they drive don't you.
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            • #7
              Every Action has an Equal and Opposite Reaction

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              • #8
                splendid!

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                • #9
                  if u rear end someone... no matter what... i think its your fault... ... thats why you are suppose to leave room to stop ...

                  for example , i deer juts out in front of teh car ahead of you... and they slam the brakes... if u rear end them , its your fault...


                  anyways.. i just think some people believe they are better drivers than they claim...
                  i dont agree with most speed limits and those speed cameras ... that is a different situtation...
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                  • #10
                    Legally my fault, but we all know legally at fault is BS for 1/2 of the accidents, because the kids in the festiva weren't ticketed and i had to pay for my head to be stapled shut. I just barely tapped her, she didn't report it but instead of driving over it she went around it unnecessarily, that was my point, it wouldn't have been an issue if she just drove over the bump. I went over it, my car survived. But it was in the middle of an intersection, i was trying not to get hit myself. Funny part was I was on my way to buy new pads and rotors

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                    • #11
                      anyways.. i just think some people believe they are better drivers than they claim...
                      while that was likely aimed at me, I certainly dont take offence at it since I share your sentiments on that, especially when your talking about members of the errm, younger generation (of which I am a part of). most kids around my area think they are invincible, and hot **** drivers, and most of them are in fact quite poor drivers. just because you can cut someone off doesnt mean its worth it in that situation.

                      All I have to backup my claim is 54,000 miles on my car in the last year and a half, and no accidents/tickets/warnings/etc. I know some of you guys have been driving ALOT longer than me, and I understand and agree with where you are coming from.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by toadster123
                        if u rear end someone... no matter what... i think its your fault... ... thats why you are suppose to leave room to stop ...

                        for example , i deer juts out in front of teh car ahead of you... and they slam the brakes... if u rear end them , its your fault...


                        anyways.. i just think some people believe they are better drivers than they claim...
                        i dont agree with most speed limits and those speed cameras ... that is a different situtation...
                        Yeah... what he said... if you rear end someone, you weren't planning ahead... and THAT is what makes you a good, defensive driver... being a defensive driver makes you a good driver... driving agressive, substantially faster than others around you or anything like that makes you a stupid, poor driver. If everyone is doing within a few miles an hour of each other, there is MUCH less chance of an accident... that is why there are speed limits. If we could go however fast WE felt was safe or acceptable... it would be much worse... I've personally logged SEVERAL hundred thousand miles... if not over a MILLION (literally) miles... and the only accident I EVER had was one that was poor judgement on my behalf (driving too fast for weather and vehicle condition)... I do the speed limit! Also, I have found that it doesn't save you much time to speed but it cost you more in fuel and maintanence and in some cases with the extra fuel stops, it takes longer if you speed! lol

                        OK, sorry for my ramble and rant. Take care and be careful out there.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by spectrrr

                          you want to reduce driving accidents? TRAIN GOOD DRIVERS. put in a REAL drivers ed system, instead of handing out a licence to anyone who demonstrates they can drive on a 25mph road for 5 minutes.

                          BAD drivers cause accidents. GOOD drivers can drive considerably faster than bad drivers, and still be SAFER.
                          In the uk it takes between 10-20 hours of driving lessons average (normally 1 or 2 hours a week) to get upto the standard to pass the driving test.

                          the you have to drive between 35 and 45 minutes on a varied route that is on the road in real traffic, on all types of road except motorway, which means you may need to travel at upto 70mph during your test if you have stretches of dual carriageway.

                          Before you can do that you also need to pass a touchscreen based theory test, and hazard perception test (also touchscreen)

                          You pay for the learner license/permit.
                          Lessons cost about 15-18 an hours.
                          the theory and hazard test costs again.
                          then you pay for the driving test.
                          then if you pass you pay to get it upgraded to full drivers license.
                          If you fail you pay for more lessons and another dricing test. If it takes more than 2 years to pass the driving test, you pay for the theory test again too.

                          Good thing is, you don't renew your license, it is good until you are 70, then you just need a doctor to sign a form every three years to say you are still medically fit to drive.
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                          • #14
                            Just my 2 cents. Speed limits are neccessary. I admit, I am always speeding and no I don't have any tickets/wrecks/warnings/whatevers. BUT I still think the speed limits are very neccessary. Way too many people (probably including me) are overconfident in their ability in driving. I think some of the comments posted above, on these cameras or speed limits being dangerous (causing accidents), are a little bit streched.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by spectrrr
                              you want to reduce driving accidents? TRAIN GOOD DRIVERS. put in a REAL drivers ed system, instead of handing out a licence to anyone who demonstrates they can drive on a 25mph road for 5 minutes.

                              BAD drivers cause accidents. GOOD drivers can drive considerably faster than bad drivers, and still be SAFER.
                              I could not agree with you more. I lived in the states for a majority of my life and I've lived here in Germany for several years and I can tell you the driving test and requirements in the states are a JOKE!!

                              I'm not saying people here don't do boneheaded things from time to time, but the level of training to get a license here verse the states is SAD. After having had my license for 15 years I still found it a refreshing challenge to take the test for the license here.

                              Now, about speed limits. Speed limits are necessary. I've seen where these cameras can serve a real purpose. For example, the B215 going to Nienburg, there is a stretch of this road that actually doesn't have speed limits (Germany says what is reasonable and prudent). But along this stretch there is a temporary speed limit of 70 kph (about 45mph) and the reason is because there is an interesection. Directly before the intersection there is a camera. OBVIOUSLY you must slow down for the camera or get a pic in the mail so you do the posted limit, proceed thru the intersection safely and then afterwards continue on (shortly after the speed limit is repealed).

                              Speed limits in America are pretty unreasonable in places and that's why they are so widely ignored. Especially when it was 55 mph nationwide. An example of this would be the "Montanabahn". Montana implimented a "no daytime speed limit". State residents feared people would drive sonic speeds and blood would be everywhere. A study found that the large majority of motorists averaged a speed of 73. Even though there isn't a darn thing out there to hit. Only 1% actually exceeded 100mph. If I can, I'll try to find that study.

                              In closing, I would be in favor of a complete overhaul of the driving license requirements for the United States. People driving and talking on cell phones are scary. No use of signals at all... scary.

                              Sorry for the long rant. Just struck a topic that I really take personally.
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