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  • A disturbing sign of the times we live in...

    Just got this email from my Uni...

    To All Students

    Avon and Somerset Constabulary are investigating the death from head
    injuries of 20 year old Adis Kulo, following an assault at the Level
    night-club on Park Row in Bristol during the early hours of Tuesday
    19th April 2005.

    Adis was visiting Bristol to attend a job interview. He spent the
    evening of Monday 18th April in various pubs before going to Level. There, at around 1am, he was assaulted whilst standing near the
    toilets on the bottom level of the club. The man who assaulted Adis was then ejected.

    The police need to speak to you urgently if you were at the club on Monday night or Tuesday morning and witnessed a fight or assault taking place in the club.

    Please contact the Operation Baltic incident room on 0845 456 7000 as
    soon as possible.
    Having been on the completely unprovoked recieving end of something like that myself leaving me with a double fractured skull and permanant partial double vision and pain that email kind of hits me quite hard. Fortunately i have no visable evidence except for the, now barely visable, 1" scar below my eye that i had stitched with no anesthetic.

    I feel very sorry for the guy and his family and friends.

    Andy

  • #2
    that really is a shame, some people.....
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    • #3
      WTF? this happen often in the pubs there?
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      • #4
        just a sign of the times everywhere I guess and it just shows how easy it is too kill someone or seriously hurt them.

        He is the 3rd person to get killed around there in about a year. Rest were shootings.

        My mate got mugged on the way home from uni at 4pm and his g/f got raped popping out for cash down the road right by the student halls she lived in.

        When my g/f used to live at the same halls i was terrified and they made the rear entrance behind that club mentioned and under the ramp of a multistoret car park - very dodgy. I often saw people high on aerosols and drugs there when leaving my g/f and would go find the police or call the police and hang around until they were romoved in case they did anything to anyone.

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        • #5
          why not get a gun and kill them? problem solved. I know if i had a gf and she got raped. That would of been his last
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          • #6
            With our legal system it is us that would get ****ed over! But that is changing for the better. Some judges now support you beating the crap out of muggers and rapists! Probelm is with martial arts training you get doubley ****ed by the law!

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            • #7
              yeah thats messed up. The good never wins. I hope things change if not ima just kick a lot of *** and run. Ive been in a mean kick someones *** mood for awhile. I might have to take a road trip to navada lol
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              • #8
                It's bloody shocking in the centre lately.
                A tramp hanging around a cashpoint was asking for money and a mate of a mate told him to **** off, the tramp swung at him and he felt what he thought was the tramps fist contact his cheek, so he started to fight back only to realise seconds later that blood was gushing from his face, the tramp had a stanley knife in his hand and he had slashed this poor lads face from his right ear to his top lip, it went so deep that it had gone through his cheek in one spot and cut into his gum.
                The tramp was caught later that evening still hanging around the cashpoint, i bet he did it just to get somewhere warm to sleep, the mate of a mate received 16 stitches to his face and will be scared for life both physically and mentally.
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                • #9
                  Thats terrible...

                  Me, friends and family have been attacked a few times here in london, been lucky to get away. Thanks god non of them was that serious...well apart from this kid trying to mugged me off my porn film, lol yes that was true. Bastard suddenly pulled out a knife and try to stab me in the neck.

                  Parried the knife trust and gave him an elbow to the face. Lucky teachers from the school came out on time, kid just took off empty handed. I was 11 or 12 at the time.

                  Like these days theres alot of knife attack, heard it on the radio lately theres some woman who got slashed on the neck by a robber or something. Learning how to defend against a knife attack is not easy, if you face an experience knife fighter without a weapon, consider yourself dead. Fortunately you wont meet much of them.

                  Yeah well as for a martial artist kicking butts, got to be careful with the law. The thing is, it can be very difficult to depend against someone who seriosly want to kill you. The only way to survive is to go in a kill mode before he kills you. Theres really only one martial art that teaches knife defence, thats normally the FMA guys. They encourage students to be ruthless when being faced by a knifer. The action is normally like block, hit, poke in the eye, dissarm the knife, slash, slash, stab, stab then stab to the heart/neck. Pickup a weapon, pen, screwdriver...aim to the deadly spot. Kinda scarry for beginners who want to take selfdefence class.

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                  • #10
                    i say travel in a group and if someone breaks out a knife on ya, to the slash stab attack till hes dead or really wounded.
                    "I didnt see anything did you joe?"
                    "No, did you tigger?"
                    "nope"
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jjh221
                      i say travel in a group and if someone breaks out a knife on ya, to the slash stab attack till hes dead or really wounded.
                      "I didnt see anything did you joe?"
                      "No, did you tigger?"
                      "nope"
                      tigger?

                      So is this Pooh bear, Twiglet and crew going down to the woods to score some honey(z) when they get mugged?

                      2Fast - horrible man, just horrible. Used to see **** in Liverpool all the time but if you minded your wn business and walked on buy the freaks kept to themselves and drunk lads would fights drunk lads. These days it's just random and sensless. He was lucky he didnt catch aids or TB.

                      Chris, yeah i've done a knife trainign course but basicaly jsut ge tthe hell out of there. knives are so nasty and odds are they arent clean. Thing is you have to get that person on the ground but you really don't want them to get up quickly so you have to make sure they stay down but the moment they are down it is illegal for you too hit them. To be honest, if i was in a serious situation i think my natural reaction would be to go straight for the throat, it is extreme but I just expect people to have weapons or mates who could join in so I want to disable them as quickly and as thoroughly as possible. Not so serious woulf be the knees - no-one gets up with a broken knee. Anyone swings for me I break their elbow. once they are on the ground arm behind the back and knee in their kidneys or maybe a foot on their head.

                      it is only done in self defence though i woudl rather one decisive blow than a struggle. That is when things get messy and people can get killed with knives or head wounds or broken necks. I got no interest in killing someone. jsut stopping them ASAP.

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                      • #12
                        Man, here in Gainesville Florida (univesity of florida GATORS) you got alot of rednecks and "gangsta" black and white people. Mostly they dont attend the university, but somehow still find time to go to all the University hang outs on the weekends.

                        Dont remember if the assailant in the following story was a student or not, but the victim was.

                        Bars close at 2AM here, (AT LAST CALL!?) its bull**** but stems from the ANTI-Rave laws from a few years back where they figgered kids wont do drugs (ecstasy) if they cant stay out past 2, but here is where that law makes a good point in being totally ridiculous. Sending drunk people who have had no time to sober up (most other bars around Florida close at 4 or not at all) out into the busy streets of downtown gainesville, is and was a stupid idea and this is why,:

                        After a bar closed down and everyone piled into the streets, a fight broke out (or was continuing from inside) and 2 guys went at it, apparently over a girl.

                        Anyway the "victim", ie the smaller guy, was beaten so badly he fell unconcious onto the curb.

                        Now the attacker sees the guy on the ground, limp and beaten. Goes to his parked car a little ways away, grabs his gun, walks back to the curb and shoots the guy in the head. BAM dead.

                        Now wtf man, I dont like violence or guns of any kind, but a bar fight is like pop culture, you gotta watch it and enjoy. Now the victim was the loser of the fight, he was beaten everyone laughs and says damn you beat his ***. BUT NO the winner has to ******* kill the guy when he cant even fight back or defend himself?

                        THis is not a case of being shot in the back, thats fuctup enough. The guy was UNCONCIOUS and was killed, he didnt see it coming. His last thoughts were "damn im getting beat up, it hurts it sucks, but Im not dead" and now he is.

                        **** GUNS AND **** THE PUSSIES WHO USE THEM ALL THEY ARE DOING IS TELLING THE WORLD THEY CANT TAKE A ******* SWING. eventhough in this case they did what I think all people who want to have a gunfight should do, FIGHT.

                        Guns are the downfall of humanity. It no longer takes time to kill someone, no strength, no abilities, no nothing. Just 1 finger and a trigger. Now thats some pussified ****. Human beings have a thing call fight or flight response and guns negate that because bullets run faster than you can think. Im just against guns in the hands of common folk (read: non military personnel) because YOU DONT ******* NEED ONE! oooh im defending my house, mutha ****a if there were no guns
                        NEITHER YOU nor THE ROBBER could be shot and killed

                        Chivalry is dead thanks to the invention of the gun.

                        What I mean is goto an armory where they have medieval stuff and look for the suit of armor that has the bullet hole in it.
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                        • #13
                          i agree guns are bad. But everyone has one why not you. I have a sticker on the back of my truck(my buddy down south put on there) it says
                          "bear arms or wear chains" i think ima go remove it tonight.

                          I went to school with a guy that was parting down on campus. Some car pulled up and shot him with a shot gun. Dead.. There was no fight. We cant erase all guns but id rather have one if someone else can.

                          Edit: ok i just removed it
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                          • #14
                            We don't have a gun culture like you guys do. We have a knife culture.

                            Guns are cowardly and it is horrible the damage they can do - if not to who they were pointed but anyoen else who gets caught up in it.

                            But knives are in a way more deadly as they are more discrete. Also, I think i would rather be shot than get a knife wound.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Scouse Monkey
                              Chris, yeah i've done a knife trainign course but basicaly jsut ge tthe hell out of there. knives are so nasty and odds are they arent clean. Thing is you have to get that person on the ground but you really don't want them to get up quickly so you have to make sure they stay down but the moment they are down it is illegal for you too hit them. To be honest, if i was in a serious situation i think my natural reaction would be to go straight for the throat, it is extreme but I just expect people to have weapons or mates who could join in so I want to disable them as quickly and as thoroughly as possible. Not so serious woulf be the knees - no-one gets up with a broken knee. Anyone swings for me I break their elbow. once they are on the ground arm behind the back and knee in their kidneys or maybe a foot on their head.

                              it is only done in self defence though i woudl rather one decisive blow than a struggle. That is when things get messy and people can get killed with knives or head wounds or broken necks. I got no interest in killing someone. jsut stopping them ASAP.
                              NO, its very dangerous to grapple a knife fighter, reason why BJJs have always been put down as a serious street selfdefence. You may have to worry about his mates around you. Going on the floor is not wise on the street.

                              You cant really do any lock on someone who still got the knife. First is to take their minds of the knife by poking them somewhere vital before you can even go for a dissarm. Infact its not easy to pull off any type of locks in real time unless the guy gave you his hands to be locked...that aint gonna happen in real fight. Unless of course hes about to initiate a slow grab.

                              Once the knife is on the floor or you got hold of it...hes dead meat. Of course you have an option to break, choke or take down. Me personally Ill have the knife off him and use it, just incase he have another one or a friend of his is about to smash a bottle in my head.

                              A few weeks ago in training, we always use live blade in my class...damn one guy cocked up during a drill. He misjudge an upward stab to the stomach and got his hand stabbed...ouch. Guy was bleeding badly and had to go to the hospital to get it stitched. Lucky it wasnt me

                              Best thing to do is avoid a fight at all cost, specially when someone got a knife. Fighting them is a last resort, problem is some bastard even when you gave them what they want they still want to stab.

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