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    I'm looking to get a new monitor for home/office use. I want something bigger than 19" and LCD. I do a lot of photography and do photo editing in PS. I'll also be viewing multiple documents (word processing, quickbooks, web browser) side-by-side. So I think wide screen would be a good feature and cost effective. I've been looking at the Dell 2405FPW 24" LCD Dell has been known to put out some very good monitors and I've heard lots of good things about this one. It's also in my price range (less than $1200).

    I've seen a deal earlier this month where they were going for $789(+tax) free shipping! I'm patiently waiting for a deal like that to come around again. But in the mean time I've seen them on ebay for $740 + 100 shipping. I'm wondering if I should just go ahead and go with ebay?? I'm worried about the return policy and shipping. I've read that some batches of the 2405FPW had a high-pitch whine issue. This is easily covered in the Dell 30 day return policy (no shipping fees) but I'm not sure an Ebay seller would be so generous if I had an issue like that.

    So anyways, that's one option. I definitely need size, quality, value, and LCD in a budget of under $1200. I see the Dell as the best option right now but any suggestions or ideas, I'm still open and would appreciate.
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    23" L2335? (HP).

    I love mine, s-ips panel, great colour repro, excellent in games too, half life 2 games in 1920x1200 are totally awesome, fills your field of view completely....best of all it ISNT a Dell.

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    • #3
      *UPDATE* I just ordered a HP L2335 from Tiger Direct. We'll see how that goes.
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      • #4
        any one have one of these? http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0184686
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          For multiple documents, there is nothing i recommend more than multiple monitors. you could get two 19 inch monitors and a nice dual head mtrox video card for under 1000, and then for $29 download ultramon. It is a program that allows one touch two monitor spanning and other excelent uses. It is the best thing for those who have to multitask on their pc's
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          • #6
            Originally posted by jjh221

            1280x768? Not very high res. My current home theatre TV does better than that. Also not very practical for everyday office apps and long photo editing sessions. It would be nicer for something (that it's meant for) like a HDTV/home theatre though.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Moneyfink
              For multiple documents, there is nothing i recommend more than multiple monitors. you could get two 19 inch monitors and a nice dual head mtrox video card for under 1000, and then for $29 download ultramon. It is a program that allows one touch two monitor spanning and other excelent uses. It is the best thing for those who have to multitask on their pc's
              I will still be running a dual monitor setup. I used to use two dual 19" CRTs. It was nice but took up LOTS of space. Plus only one was a actual GOOD monitor. I also didn't like the 3" gap between the two screens. With this new 23" wide screen ratio display will be a very nice upgrade from my mediocre (entry level) 17" LCD. I will be keeping it though and be using it as my secondary monitor running duals. It will be used for less graphic intense stuff like web-surfing and keeping Photoshop pallets and tools on it, etc. So I'll have one larger, high quality monitor and one run-of-the-mill for auxiliary.
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              • #8
                $1200?1?!?!?! Just buy 5 regular flat screens and sit em side by side

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by KyleYankan
                  $1200?1?!?!?! Just buy 5 regular flat screens and sit em side by side
                  It's getting late, I can get more into this one tomorrow. But basically there is a certain level of features, accuracy, and quality that I find important in a display for what I do. For others it isn't so important. Some would call me crazy for not going with something like a Eizo, LaCie, or Sony Artisan, etc. Trust me, $1200 is cheap for a *GOOD* larger-sized monitor. But you're right, if I were going for pure maximum screen real estate for around $1200, five "regular" flat panels would be much more economical.
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                  • #10
                    good choice ...... and yeah I agree, just because its a 23" doesnt mean a second screen isnt useful.... im using my 17" iiyama tft as my second screen (and finally ditched the 19" CRT I was using as the 2nd). Theres always something that you want seperate, if im gaming I want IRC/messengers on the spare, same if im making diagrams the tools work best on the 2nd, and 1920x1200 is still barely wide enough for 2 web pages.

                    Its a lush monitor but not enough to ditch the extra screen and since all videocards come with a 2nd output these days its silly not to use it.

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                    • #11
                      Very nice suggestion - L2335. I've been looking at the Dell's, too.
                      This site has some interesting ideas for the dual monitor thing. http://www.digitaltigers.com/tigervi...it.shtml#duo21

                      I'm looking for more resolution than what those displays offer. (yes, I have superb vision!) About 5 years back, I invested $1200 on a Sony 21" monitor - I've been running it at 1920x1440 ever since. If I get a flatpanel, I want at least that res, and considering I'd likely be going with a larger display, I'd want higher res than that! Has anyone come across something like this? (assuming price is not an option )
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PatO
                        I'm looking for more resolution than what those displays offer. (yes, I have superb vision!) About 5 years back, I invested $1200 on a Sony 21" monitor - I've been running it at 1920x1440 ever since. If I get a flatpanel, I want at least that res, and considering I'd likely be going with a larger display, I'd want higher res than that! Has anyone come across something like this? (assuming price is not an option )
                        Around 3 years ago, I spend $700 for a 21" Sony monitor. I'm running it at 1280x1024... I have crappy vission
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PatO
                          Very nice suggestion - L2335. I've been looking at the Dell's, too.
                          This site has some interesting ideas for the dual monitor thing. http://www.digitaltigers.com/tigervi...it.shtml#duo21

                          I'm looking for more resolution than what those displays offer. (yes, I have superb vision!) About 5 years back, I invested $1200 on a Sony 21" monitor - I've been running it at 1920x1440 ever since. If I get a flatpanel, I want at least that res, and considering I'd likely be going with a larger display, I'd want higher res than that! Has anyone come across something like this? (assuming price is not an option )

                          Price not being an issue a good option would be Apple's 30" cinema display @ 2560x1600. "Go big for just $2999"
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                          • #14
                            cheap dell... and i did so and it worked

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                            Ripped from FW which ripped from HFs, I am only the messengerCredit goes to Elipsn. Thanks for the inside info!

                            I no longer work for Dell, I quit my job there, but I worked in Nashville in the S&P Small business division - And boy oh boy do you guys have a lot to learn Later tonight, I'm going to make a very long post with a ton of inside info - I have intentions of teaching all of you the truth about Dell, how their coupon system and rebates work, and how to beat their system.


                            Heres a hint at the goodness to come, some of you may have known this from personal experience, but its time this gets out in the open....

                            When you call Dell - You can get amazing deals, Never buy online, always call in...........The 2005FPW deal? Hehe, the deal is not dead guys, it never will be....Coupons? Ha! its all BS, coupons don't matter at all. Can you say 2405FPW for around $671.44? Shipped, of course. What about a 2005FPW for $342.51, once again, shipped.....and what if I were to tell you, you can get that deal, all day long, anyday of the week

                            Oh yeah, and heres the real kicker....what if I told you, 20 to 30% off of the best price you can find on dells website for almost anything? And yes, that includes the Geforce 7800GTX Can you say $400? Hehe

                            Hold on to your hats ladies and gentlemen, I'm about to blow one bigass whistle....


                            UPDATE -

                            Sorry this is taking so long guys, Those of you who assume this is a YMMV post, as well as a "hope you get a good rep, they'll give you a good deal" are slightly correct, but there is a lot more to it than that, I'm going to try and explain it in more detail later, its a long write up, and I don't want to spread any misinformation....And, I don't consider this information "secret" except that I have the real inside info, I was there; when you called in to order a 2405fpw, You were talking to me, or one of my coworkers, I know how it works, and I'm going to explain how to get the best deal out of me (Dell) you could imagine...

                            Heres some more basic info

                            1. Dell branded items have a built in 20 to 30% markup from the best price you can find on dells website, what does that mean? To expand on this, if a 2405fpw has a msrp of $1199, and you can buy it online for 959.20, you can buy it over the phone for 20% less than that at a minimum, maybe even 30%, the amount of a discount a rep can give past the online advertised price depends and fluctuates daily - it will always be at least 20% - The only catch is convincing the rep on the other end of the phone to give this to you, they can do it, they have the authority, and if they tell you they can't, they are lies.

                            2. Dell reps are required to sell a certain amount of [email protected] everyday, or they get fired. Its measured in a system known as "stacks", basically, its a commission system. Everyone knows this - What they don't know, is how to use social engineering to play this on your behalf - This is where the good stuff is at, more to come soon

                            The big update you have all been waiting for -

                            Alright, I'm going to make good on what I promised earlier.

                            Here is the deal:

                            In order to explain how to get the best deal from Dell, you must take into consideration six main points.


                            1. Social engineering is required for this to work

                            2. A Dell Rep must sell a certain amount of stuff per day in order to meet their quota – otherwise they get fired.

                            3. A Dell rep has the ability, and authority, to discount items above and beyond the website price.

                            4. Dell reps are paid on a salary structure, plus commission. This is the most important factor, because you will use this information to get the best deal.

                            5. Dell branded items have what is called "inflated margin". This means a Dell rep can sell you a 2005fpw at cost, because he still benefits from the sell of the item, some will be reluctant to do this – Margin (the amount of money Dell makes from a sell) is one of the ways the performance of a Dell rep is measured, However, if you find a rep that won't give you your best deal, hang up, and call back in, it might take a few try's, but it can save you hundreds…..

                            6. Non-Dell Branded items don't have nearly as much "margin" built into the price, but some do, some items like video cards, have HUGE margins, meaning reps can discount Geforce 7800GTX's 20% all day long, and still have positive margin for the sell………..this isn't true of every non-Dell item, some have hardly any margin at all, and reps can't do much on the price front…

                            In order to convince a Dell rep to give you that incredible deal, you need to make it worth his/her time. The way you do this, is express you interest in items that you have no intention of buying; this leads the Dell rep to believe that if he gives you a good deal now, you might buy a big item later, which will help him/her to meet their quota. (This isn't the only way to go about getting the rep to give you his/her best deal, but it worked for me, if someone told me they were going to buy plasma, I had no problem selling them a monitor at base price – The Basic idea is get on the reps good side, make him laugh, tell a joke, whatever floats your boat –These people live very boring lives in there tiny cubicles, trust me, it gets real boring sometimes……)

                            Dell has two main divisions, with hundreds of sub divisions, the two primary divisions are of course Dell Home, and Dell Small Business. Dell S&P (Software and peripherals) has a lot more flexibility in their pricing structure, as a general rule of thumb, try and deal with them; they can get you the best deal.

                            It does not matter if you don't own a company, tell them you do, they don't validate any company info you give them. Do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT tell them this will be for personal use. They will transfer you. Business use only.

                            It's important to remember that the amount of a discount that a rep can give you does vary day by day, with new pricing matrix information coming out every Thursday, meaning, last week if they could only do 10%, they may be able to do 20% now, it just depends….I've still got friends at Dell, I'm going to try and provide the with inside pricing structure every week, maybe we can get a sticky going for that with limited user access for the so the whole enthusiast community doesn't see it? Tomorrow I will provide the with solid numbers on specific items, and the BEST deal that can be had, that way you can call in, and if the rep won't sell it to you at that price, you know you can do better, so you can hang-up and try again.

                            Here are some real world price points to give you an example of what a Dell representative is capable of doing as far as discounts go, these prices do not include tax, which depends on your location, so it varies. I never got to see Dells true cost, but I assure you, it's sick how much money they make off of Dell branded items, especially when poor ******** buy Dell's stuff off of their website.

                            2405FPW – MSRP $1199, Online 959.20, 20% Rep Discount $767.36, 30% Rep Discount $671.44

                            2005FPW – MSRP $699, Online 489.30, 20% Rep Discount $391.44, 30% Rep Discount $342.51

                            Dell 42" Plasma W4200 – MSRP $2999, Online $2699, 20% Rep Discount $2159.20


                            Three weeks ago, the pricing matrix (The "Guidelines" a Dell rep has to work with when issuing a discount) allowed us to go to 30% on a number of items, including the 2005fpw and 2405fpw. The week before I quit, we could only go to 20% on the same things. In other words, it does vary when a Rep can give discounts – But that is in no way associated to coupons or discount codes.

                            It's also important to know that coupon codes, and discounts won't work in
                            conjunction with any of the tactics I've discussed here, In order to get a rep to sell you stuff at his/her discount prices, he has got to maintain a positive margin, meaning, Dell MUST make something from the sell, even if its only a few dollars off of that 2405, they still made a few bucks from the sell.

                            Whew – I hope that gives you all a general idea of what's going on, there is a LOT more to discuss, and I'll be updating this thread with new info from time to time, look for big updates over the next few days, but for right now I'm tired of typing…..any questions?

                            Oh, and one more thing – When you call in, be nice, even if the rep won't give you that deal. I've had to deal with so many @$$holes it's pathetic – and make sure you validate the item number you're buying; most of the reps don't know what the hell they are talking about….
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