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    Looks like i was scammed on a out of state vehicle purchase for $7500. I spoke with the man several times and wire transfered bank to bank with a description of what it was for. He claimed he would ship it in 2 weeks. That was February 17th. Still no car. Everytime he says he will ship it, he comes up with another thing he is doing for me, repainting, replacing a seal, a joint, etc. He did send me the title, but thats all i have. So far he has not answered any direct questions and everything I have done to investigate has shown what he said was a lie

    I pulled his information from the wire transfer and he lives near Glendale Az. he claims to be about 60 and his voice sounds like it. I have his address, e-mail and phone number. I finally threatened to press charges and he said my threats do not scare him. He is going to ship it Monday (this is the 5th or 6th time he has promised to ship). I highly doubt it will ship. The strange thing is that he returns my calls. It would seem if he was screwing me, he would just vanish. At this point im betting the photos he sent me are not of the vehicle i purchased and Im going to get screwed.

    I have filled out the FBI internet fraud form but figure that will take forever. Suing him could be pointless if he has no money. I will go to my local police and file a report but im in Va and he is in Az. Nothing will happen there. So what do i do next? Fly to Arizon, grab the local police, show them the title and go find my car? Press charges for vehicle theft? I shold have used an escrow service but hindsight is 2020.

    Any advice?
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    I think more information is necessary. DO you have the VIN number on the title. Is the VIN legit? He may have commited several felonies. That is significantly more then just scamming some people for a couple hundred bucks.

    If the title is fake, he has forgered a document, that is pretty big. It could be a fed crime because the deal and forgery is across state lines. The amount of money is quite significant.

    Contact his local PD, and yours. They might be able to assist. Also, if you have the title, they might pop the guy for Grand Theft Auto.

    I would contact the bank quickly and see if you have any recourse, because there might be a 30 day time limit. That is why he answers the calls, and he says he will ship in 2 weeks, so that he can make sure the time period passes.

    If the title is legit, then you can get the car. You can contact a repo man in the area. Not sure what they charge, but they can repo the car for you. Not sure it is worth the money, but you never know, the car might be pristine, and the guy is just scamming you for the cash.

    How did you find the car. Was it Ebay or some other forum. Perhaps they have some additional inormation for you, though they will probably claim privacy with out at least a police report number.

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    • #3
      +1 on calling the cops in HIS town- they should be happy to pay him a visit for you.
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      • #4
        Holy ****, that's a big deal man, I thought it was just some computer parts. If you want, I'll take a trip to see about the car. It's not bad for me, about a 6 hour drive.

        Also, one of my brothers lives in Phoenix, along with 2 of my cousins in Mesa. They could get together and go check it out for ya. Maybe strength in numbers?

        Anyway, that's pretty ****ty of the old man... maybe he's just forgetful.
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        • #5
          That sux man.

          I remember a thrad on some place about 2 years ago. Some guy bought, I think it was a Lancer Evo on Ebay from a dealer, and they said they had sold it to someone else...

          I don't remember what ended up happening, but maybe something like that has happened....

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          • #6
            Holy crap, that sucks man. WiredWRX had some good advice though so I'd definitely start contacting your and his local authorities and get the ball rolling on this.

            Also, you have any attorney friends?
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            • #7
              1. get full insurance
              2. report the grand theft auto to local police
              3. they do little to nothing but fill out a report
              4. send report in to your insurance
              5. new car

              Just an idea, I have no idea if it would work
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              • #8
                I was scammed about 3 years ago for about $5000 on an Internet purchase...

                The scammer went into jail because of it a couple of weeks ago...but I haven't got any money back Unfortunately it is a long and labourious process to have a scammer prosecuted. BTW, I was living & working in the USA when it happened and the scammer is American too...

                Good luck - I hope everything works out for you!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Wiredwrx
                  I would contact the bank quickly and see if you have any recourse, because there might be a 30 day time limit. That is why he answers the calls, and he says he will ship in 2 weeks, so that he can make sure the time period passes.
                  That's the biggy there and makes alot of sense, "that's why he answers the calls".
                  If you haven't allready, I'd contact the bank immediatly.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by techyguru
                    1. get full insurance
                    2. report the grand theft auto to local police
                    3. they do little to nothing but fill out a report
                    4. send report in to your insurance
                    5. new car

                    Just an idea, I have no idea if it would work
                    What you suggest is called Insurance Fraud, and will land you directly in jail.
                    This is bad advice.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Wiredwrx
                      I would contact the bank quickly and see if you have any recourse, because there might be a 30 day time limit. That is why he answers the calls, and he says he will ship in 2 weeks, so that he can make sure the time period passes.

                      Michael
                      Unfortunately, there is no such thing as a "grace peroid" or "time limit" or anything else when a direct wire transfer is is done. The bank considers this the same as a face to face cash transaction. Since it has to be initiated by the account holder in person, they have no reason to place any kind of hold on the funds. Once a bank wire transfer is completed, the money belongs to the recipient, peroid. Just like giving cash to the guy in the alley. Done deal. Banks will do nothing. Now, if the police get involved, and they have a warrant or court order, they can seize funds from his account, but this would only happen after a judge signs off on this, and by that time the funds would most likely be gone anyway.

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                      • #12
                        I think the best advice so far is reporting the car stolen to his local police department because you have the title. If he hasn't made a "reasonable effort" to give you the car, then this is grounds for car theft in my mind. That would probably be the quickest way to get your car. You'll probably have to pick it up in person though from the police department, so that may not be any good if that far away.
                        Good luck and keep us posted on what happens.

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                        • #13
                          I originally found it on ebay but stupidly went around the posting. We spoke on the phone for a while and worked out the original agreement.

                          In a strange connection, a guy I work with has a brother in law in Glensdale Az. The brother in law is a car guy. I spoke with him yesterday about the situation and he agreed to go to the guy's house and "investigate". Basically he was going to knock on the dor and see what he could do to help ship the car.

                          As he pulled up, the car is in the driveway and an old man is working on it. He took some photos and talked to the guy. Wound up he knew the guy and had purchased several parts from him over the years. The guy is a good ol boy car guy who got in over his head. The car is being painted next week and shipped as soon as it can after.

                          So out of 2 million people in the valley, it wound up they knew each other. Weird.

                          Hopefully it will work itself out.
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                          • #14
                            good luck.. got pics?
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                            • #15
                              http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4613280789
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