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  • 04 Neon SXT Project - PC and Automation

    Starting this thread now so it's here. So far, its mostly just plans, but I've begun purchasing the parts... Before I continue though, I know full well that the parts I've chosen aren't the most efficient or cost effective or low wattage, but this is my project and I'm going to do it my way I've already checked into the power consumption issues, and I'll be fine... So, to begin:

    System Plans:
    AMD X2 Brisbane Core BE-2350 (45W) Processor [x]
    MSI K9NBPM2-FID NVIDIA Quadro NVS 210S Micro ATX Motherboard [x]
    OnBoard Quadro NVS 210S graphics [x]
    OnBoard HDA Realtek ALC883 (for now) [x]
    Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 400GB SataII Hard Drive [x] (Ended up with a free Western Digital 400gb sata2)
    1GB DDR2 800 Ram (4 x 256MB) (freebie from a buddy) [x]
    PCMCIA to PCI Adapter (for EVDO)
    Silverstone FP34-B USB 2.0 Card Reader
    Lilliput 8" 809GL-80NP/C/T touchscreen monitor
    Panasonic Slot Load CW-8124 DVD-ROM/CD-RW [x] (ended up with a GoGo external unit, enclosure and drive in 1...will still buy panasonic and enclosure later though, this one has a tray)
    Slim drive external USB enclosure [x] (see above)
    DSATX DC-DC Power Supply in Dumb Mode(startup/shutdown controller disabled)
    Fusion Brain (see "Automation" below) [x]
    HQCT (when they're availble again)
    Digimoto 5.0 OBDII Vehicle Diagnostics

    Audio:
    Majestic 6.5" Coaxial Speakers(doors) [x]
    Majestic 6"x9" Triaxial Speakers(rear deck) [x]
    2x Niche Audio Titanium Series 10" Subwoofers [1/2]
    1x Niche Audio NA1280E Evolution Series 4Channel Amp [x]
    1x Niche Audio NA1010E Evolution Series 2Channel Amp
    Ported Subwoofer Enclosure (35Hz port tune)
    Kicker 3-way Electronic Crossover [x]

    Sound Deadening:
    Second Skin Audio Damplifier and Damplifier Pro

    Vehicle Changes:
    SPAL Door Popper Kit
    SPAL Power Window Kit(for the rear)
    Shaved Door Handles(pushbutton driver door)
    Shaved Inner Handles
    Window Switches Removed
    Power Mirror Switches Removed
    Servo's added to headlights
    Servo's added to manual HVAC controls(heat, vents, circulation)
    Photosensor used to activate running lights and headlights at Dusk/Dawn
    Backup Proximity Sensors
    "Push-button" Starter on screen
    RUN/ACC Wiring re-routed(see explanation below)
    more to come...

    Automation:
    Door Locks - 2 outputs, 0 inputs
    Door Poppers - 4 outputs, 0 inputs
    Windows - 8 ourputs, 0 inputs
    Trunk Popper - 1 output, 0 inputs
    Mirrors - 4 outputs, 0 inputs
    Headlight aiming system - 4 outputs, 0 inputs
    System Exhaust Fan - 1 output, 1 input(thermometer)
    Automatic Headlights - 1 output, 1 input(Photosensor)
    Automatic Climate Control - ? outputs, ? inputs
    Boost Controller - 1 output, 1 input(pressure sensor)
    Backup Proximity - 0 output(graphical display), 1 input(IR proximity)
    Vehicle Information - 0 output(graphical display), ? inputs
    more to come...


    I selected the motherboard and processor listed above because it gives me more than plenty of power, while also allowing for upgrading down the road if need be with a PCIE x16 slot and 2 PCI-32bit slots. For the time being, i'll be using the onboard video and sound. The video is the nVidia Quadro NVS 210S w/ nForce 430 southbridge. Audio is High Definition 8channel. If the audio is anything like that in my desktop here, it will be perfectly fine. The PC will be built into the dash, behind where the radio normally would sit.

    The door handles both inside and outside will be shaved. Outside driver door handle will be replaced with a single sealed chrome push-button to activate the door popper. Window switches will be removed, as with the mirror adjustment switches(or actually just removed from visibility, inside the door panels), same with the lock switches. The ignition cylinder(key) will eventually be removed, so the computer will control if/when the car can be started. A button will be present on the dash, near the screen. This will be the power button for the PC. Once the computer begins its boot up procedure, the car's RUN and ACC wiring will be activated by relays. Once computer is completely booted up, a password will be required to enter windows. Once in windows, the Fusion Brain software will load automatically. On the first screen, there will be a "START" button which will activate the car's starter. Once the car is parked after driving, shutting down the computer will cause the car to shut off until next time. I am fully aware of the possible problems this setup can cause if the computer happens to crash while driving. I will make provisions to prevent this...so please dont jump to the gun and suggest otherwise

    There are also plans for performance enhancements for the car, but that's probably not for this forum...

    I will post more as things progress...

    - Matt

    EDIT:

    10-14-2007 - Added to planning list is the following: Bosch wideband Oxygen Sensor, unit to read O2 Sensor, MAP Sensor, Throttle Position Sensor, Vehicle Speed Sensor.
    Planning: [|||||||||-] 90%
    Purchased: [|||||||||/] 99%
    Installation: [|||||||||-] 90% (when is anyone's project ever REALLY done...)

  • #2
    I like all the automation!
    Fusion Brain Version 6 Released!
    1.9in x 2.9in -- 47mm x 73mm
    30 Digital Outputs -- Directly drive a relay
    15 Analogue Inputs -- Read sensors like temperature, light, distance, acceleration, and more
    Buy now in the MP3Car.com Store

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    • #3
      haha, you would...you're gonna be makin some money off me, lol

      did you make that banner yet????
      Planning: [|||||||||-] 90%
      Purchased: [|||||||||/] 99%
      Installation: [|||||||||-] 90% (when is anyone's project ever REALLY done...)

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      • #4
        This post is for purchase logs and updates:

        Purchase Log:
        10/01/2007 - $ 90.80 - Fusion Brain w/ Thermometer & Volume Knob & Photosensor
        10/04/2007 - $ 86.00 - AMD X2 Brisbane Core BE-2350 (45W) Processor
        10/04/2007 - $ 00.00 - FREE RAM
        10/05/2007 - $ 83.32 - MSI K9NBPM2-FID NVIDIA Quadro NVS 210S Micro ATX Motherboard
        --------------------
        Total so far: $ 260.12

        Updates:
        10-11-2007 - Started, making the skin for Fusion Brain: See here
        Planning: [|||||||||-] 90%
        Purchased: [|||||||||/] 99%
        Installation: [|||||||||-] 90% (when is anyone's project ever REALLY done...)

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        • #5
          Sounds like a winner. Looks like I'll have to follow this one. G'luck.

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          • #6
            Great project, lots of FB install pics please.
            Continued Worklog... Upgrades in progress:
            *15.4" WXGA LED backlight touchscreen upgrade
            *Custom fiberglass dash bezel

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BiGGy View Post
              Great project, lots of FB install pics please.
              +1

              And if you take some good "install tutorial" type photos, we will be glad to host them on our site and show them off to the world as an example. That goes for everyone with a brain!
              Fusion Brain Version 6 Released!
              1.9in x 2.9in -- 47mm x 73mm
              30 Digital Outputs -- Directly drive a relay
              15 Analogue Inputs -- Read sensors like temperature, light, distance, acceleration, and more
              Buy now in the MP3Car.com Store

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              • #8
                wouldnt an install like this result in a 30-60 second wait time to start your car while the computer boots up?
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                • #9
                  yes and no. There are ways to make the initial startup procedure as quickly as possible...first off i'm using a dual core cpu, 1gb ram, and i'll be disabling systems that arent necessary, etc...but i usually fidget around in my car for a couple minutes before starting it and driving anyways

                  Nick: Yes Sir...
                  Planning: [|||||||||-] 90%
                  Purchased: [|||||||||/] 99%
                  Installation: [|||||||||-] 90% (when is anyone's project ever REALLY done...)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sonicxtacy02 View Post
                    wouldnt an install like this result in a 30-60 second wait time to start your car while the computer boots up?
                    Also boot time shouldn't ever be 60 seconds. 20-30 seconds with a full XP Pro install and optimized BIOS boot sequence is the way to go. If you strip down XP, I am sure it will go even faster. If you have over 45s boot time, I think people need to work on optimizing boot because that is rediculous!

                    And yes, that is a cold boot. If you do dual batteries in standby, then instant (almost) boot.
                    Fusion Brain Version 6 Released!
                    1.9in x 2.9in -- 47mm x 73mm
                    30 Digital Outputs -- Directly drive a relay
                    15 Analogue Inputs -- Read sensors like temperature, light, distance, acceleration, and more
                    Buy now in the MP3Car.com Store

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                    • #11
                      actually, i've talked to jeff...wont need dual batteries even if i DO leave it in standby...

                      the DSATX only pulls about 500mA MAX when the computer is in standby, and thats nothing... all of my led lights pull more than that, and i can leave them on for days and the battery wont be drained...

                      another comparison note... my desktop pc once booted, has 17 tray icons...that takes about 45 seconds to get to full boot.........take out all of those extra programs and such and you'll cut down the boot time to next to nill...i remember when i first booted up this pc a year ago when i built it, it was in windows ready to go within 15 seconds, if that... so i know i wont have to wait long for the carpc to boot up since itll have very little loaded on it besides media. only 2 programs will be started on boot and that's going to be Centrafuse and Fusion Brain...nothing else needs to be running constantly
                      Planning: [|||||||||-] 90%
                      Purchased: [|||||||||/] 99%
                      Installation: [|||||||||-] 90% (when is anyone's project ever REALLY done...)

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                      • #12
                        The suspense is killing me.

                        So it'll be done by the end of the week?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
                          Also boot time shouldn't ever be 60 seconds. 20-30 seconds with a full XP Pro install and optimized BIOS boot sequence is the way to go. If you strip down XP, I am sure it will go even faster. If you have over 45s boot time, I think people need to work on optimizing boot because that is rediculous!

                          And yes, that is a cold boot. If you do dual batteries in standby, then instant (almost) boot.
                          when i say "boot up" i dont mean get to windows desktop. I mean get to the desktop, initialize any usb devices,load whatever front end software is loaded and load the fusion brain software. That's not gonna get done in 20-30 seconds. I've been to plenty carputer meets over the years and i've never seen a computer boot to that point in less than a minute. If you have then perhaps you should share the secret!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sxtnitehawk View Post
                            actually, i've talked to jeff...wont need dual batteries even if i DO leave it in standby...

                            the DSATX only pulls about 500mA MAX when the computer is in standby, and thats nothing... all of my led lights pull more than that, and i can leave them on for days and the battery wont be drained...

                            another comparison note... my desktop pc once booted, has 17 tray icons...that takes about 45 seconds to get to full boot.........take out all of those extra programs and such and you'll cut down the boot time to next to nill...i remember when i first booted up this pc a year ago when i built it, it was in windows ready to go within 15 seconds, if that... so i know i wont have to wait long for the carpc to boot up since itll have very little loaded on it besides media. only 2 programs will be started on boot and that's going to be Centrafuse and Fusion Brain...nothing else needs to be running constantly
                            I think you may want to review what Jeff told you. He said the DS-ATX only draws 500mA. I think he is talking about all the onboard logic to power the device. That sounds about right since there is inherit inefficiecy with power regulation. The Fusion Brain draws 30mA-ish when the computer is off and it is powered, but you can cut power completely no problem as everything in stored in non-volatile memory. But you cant shut down the PSU all the way as it is constantly monitoring the ignintion wire to see if the car is on.

                            A computer though takes an average of 35W-40W in standby. That is for a desktop, and you will be using desktop components so I think it applies. Lets say 35W, so P=VI, 35=12*I so I ~= 3A. So the computer doesnt draw 500mA, it will draw 3000mA for the PC, 500mA for the PSU, and so on.

                            Standby is a considerable draw on the battery. That is why I suggest the dual batteries so in case it draws one all the way down, your main starting battery will still be ok.
                            Fusion Brain Version 6 Released!
                            1.9in x 2.9in -- 47mm x 73mm
                            30 Digital Outputs -- Directly drive a relay
                            15 Analogue Inputs -- Read sensors like temperature, light, distance, acceleration, and more
                            Buy now in the MP3Car.com Store

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sonicxtacy02 View Post
                              when i say "boot up" i dont mean get to windows desktop. I mean get to the desktop, initialize any usb devices,load whatever front end software is loaded and load the fusion brain software. That's not gonna get done in 20-30 seconds. I've been to plenty carputer meets over the years and i've never seen a computer boot to that point in less than a minute. If you have then perhaps you should share the secret!
                              I have many places.

                              The key is the BIOS and a non-bloated copy of XP.

                              For the BIOS, there are lots of things you can do. Some of the longest time consumers are the RAM test and the Auto IDE channels. You need to set the IDE channels to the actual HD specs, and take it off of the Auto settings. Then disable all boot devices except HD-0. Disable USB in DOS/BIOS (That is a big one too). Disable floppy. Disable error checking.

                              Then I just use a good plain copy of XP Pro with messenger disabled, so when it starts, Winamp, RoadRunner, and the intel video driver app loads and that is it. Plays music fast.
                              Fusion Brain Version 6 Released!
                              1.9in x 2.9in -- 47mm x 73mm
                              30 Digital Outputs -- Directly drive a relay
                              15 Analogue Inputs -- Read sensors like temperature, light, distance, acceleration, and more
                              Buy now in the MP3Car.com Store

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