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  • 2005 Scion xB with Centrafuse plus AMD X2 64 5600+ and 17" touchscreen

    This project is a culmination of bad ideas into a fun solution... and it has been a great time!!

    I think in the same way most databases start life as excel spreadsheets, I think most car PC's start by running a laptop on the passenger seat.

    My job requires that I have access to a fully functional PC almost all of the time. If you want the long story for why I have built such an overkill system, read the background at the bottom.

    My project requirements:
    1. Powerful PC with full size screen
    2. Always on Internet
    3. Navigational system
    4. MP3 player

    then I got started on the wish list...

    ODBII connection-
    Web cam
    file synchronization with home server
    text to speech email
    voice recognition
    hand-free operation for phone
    remote control of PC
    auto startup/shutdown
    separate battery system
    stealthy install


    I currently have the following completed or purchased on the project:

    15" ELO touchscreen installed
    AMD 4200+ dual core, 2GB, 80GB, DVDRW
    Sierra 595 Air card with Linksys WRT54G3G-ST
    350watt delco DC-AC inverter
    BU-353 Weather-proof GPS Receiver
    OPUS 320W Intelligent DC-DC PSU-- not installed
    Optima-Red battery
    home-made battery isolator
    IBM Keyboard with built-in trackball
    Microsoft lifecam 3000


    2nd battery charging system: I researched several battery isolator systems and the cost of them-- I just could not seem to justify 60-$120 for an isolator that I did not need. So.... I designed a simple cheap charging/islation system.



    It consists of 2 relays and some wire. The CB1F-12V 40AMP relays cost $4.22 each from mouser electronics. My system works like this: When the car is running(charging) it connects the 2nd battery to the charging system and allows it to charge. When the car is off, it opens the circuit and leaves the 2nd battery to fend for itself while protecting the primary battery from being drained. On these relays the posts work like this:85 & 86 are the control circuit, so if you put 12V power to these to poles it triggers the relay. The other 3 poles are 87, 30, 878. 30 is the input, 87 is the Normally open ouput, 878 it the normally closed output.

    If you wanted to get creative with these relays, you could reverse the input/output roles and have 87 Be the input for Battery A, 878 be the input for battery B... with 30 being the output. Then you could select either source by the control circuit.

    It is quite simple to setup: 2 relays, 4 or 5 post are fine. The relay connections are like this, 2 seperate circuits. The switched circuit and the controlling circuit. The switched circuit is the circuit that gets opened and closed based upon the controlling circuit. So, in my example- relay one has the charging system positive as the switched circuit. relay two has charging system negative as switched circuit.

    The control circuit has positive and negative leads. I supply constant negative and only suppy positive when the ignition is turned on. I also installed a 30amp inline fuse at both batteries-- this is just in case i have a line short in the middle of the connection-- it wil pop the fuse at either or both ends. I will upload a diagram of this system later-- but it is very versatile. By simply adding a 3 position On-Off-On switch you can have complete control over your charging system. Like this-- On-1(controlled by car running/orr) off(no charging) on-2(batteries connected) This on-2 position seemed like a not required solution... unless you run the main battery dead by leaving the headlights on and want to charge it from the 2nd battery. Simply flip the switch and wait 3-5 minutes for the 2nd battery to chage the 1st battery... My car doesn't take much too start... so I can flip the switch and start without popping my 30amp fuse... but your situation may vary.

    Background for this project: I am a field engineer and also do most of the technical sales support for our sales staff. Which means they call me frequently and expect me to have detailed technical specifications for thousands of parts in my head-- reality says that I have them in a collection of 50+ PDF documents and neatly tucked away within google. While traveling I would have my laptop running on the passenger seat waiting for a phone call. I would then pull over and lookup the information they need-- One tragic day, in the lovely Atlanta traffic, everyone stopped short. Since I already had my coffee in my right hand, it was not able to save my laptop from the high speed trip to the floor. The result was one broken power-port on the motherboard. That's when I started dreaming of a "real" computer in my car...

    I started shopping for the right screen size-- and nothing was usable with windows. Sure, the 10" screens work-- but I felt myself settling for less than I wanted and since I was going to build this, I was going to build it for my needs. I found a 15" ELO touch screen on ebay-- NEW IN BOX and sniped it for $200.

    I practiced fitting the screenin the car using velcro straps and connecting it to the laptop-- this screen was truly to big for a stealth install... but it functioned perfectly, very bright, well built... so it became the center piece of my project.
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    If a little will do a little good, then a lot will do a lot of good.

    2005 Scion XB with AMD X2 64 5600+, 17" Touchscreen, Centrafuse

  • #2
    damn - that's gangsta!
    Duct tape and a Bandana for the win, b!shes!!!

    My Setup:http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=73500

    Cost so far: Less than a grand ;]



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    • #3
      holly crap! that's like the guy i met up in the Philli meet with a 17" LCD mounted on the passenger side and bondo-ed (sp?) in. CRAZY!
      "If it works this good why F with it?" -KMFDM "Intro"

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      • #4
        Two other advantages of your installed setup over the laptop are:
        (1) permanent installations are less prone to theft because they can't just be grabbed, and
        (2) insurance: my State Farm representative said that anything bolted down is covered, whereas laptops are not covered. There's no additional premium for installed equipment.

        Yes, laptops stolen may be covered under your homeowner's or renter's insurance policy -- if you carry it -- but I'll bet there's a separate deductible for the homeowner/renter's policy, so that's more money out of your pocket. If the system is installed permanently, then there's only the auto insurance deductible.

        All that said, policies vary from company to company, but it's worth checking . . .
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        If just enough is really good, then too much ought to be perfect.

        2006 Scion xB with in-dash Atom & Lilliput 889GL -- Worklog at http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/work...res-links.html
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        • #5
          Smash and grab....

          Well it seems that someone liked my screen soooo much... they decided to steal it.

          Busted out the tinted drivers window... and forcefully ripped the mounting system out of the dash... then carefully unscrewed the cables and fled.

          Lessons learned... . Because the screen was SO frigging big, I settled on a hinged mounting system so it could be adjusted and easily maintained.

          So far my insurance has not denied the claim... but I am trying.

          The break-in was mostly a nuisance... window replacement was $160 installed at my work and the replacement screen was $200...

          I also figured out that my "keyless entry" system with a panic button is not the same as my other 3 toyota's. The other Toyota's have had an alarm system integrated into the entry system with glass breakage sensors, the Scion is only a keyless entry system.

          One more problem... I have tinted glass... which the scumbags used to their advantage... The tint keeps the glass from going everywhere.. so when they used struck the glass in the lower corner it shattered and stayed in place. They then removed the glass in virtually one piece and placed it under the car while the carnage took place.

          So... I need an alarm system with glass breakage sensors, door, and built in Tazer or spontaneous airbag deployment!!

          So the project has been changed... I now have a 17" screen on the way...
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          If a little will do a little good, then a lot will do a lot of good.

          2005 Scion XB with AMD X2 64 5600+, 17" Touchscreen, Centrafuse

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          • #6
            Maybe this is what you need: a Trunk Monkey.
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            If just enough is really good, then too much ought to be perfect.

            2006 Scion xB with in-dash Atom & Lilliput 889GL -- Worklog at http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/work...res-links.html
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            • #7
              Progress....

              It's amazing how much momentum my project lost after the break-in.

              rdholtz helped me get the new screen installed after 4+ months of down time!! thank you!!

              And this time the screen mount is actually more overkill than the 17" screen in a car that is less than 13' long!!

              We skipped the aluminum and light weight and welded it up in square steel tubing... bolted it in with the seat, the tunnel and cross brace to the driver side.

              This mount is so solid, the car corners stiffer with it installed. (JK)

              The ironic part... I've still not settled on an alarm system.

              But, once we get his charging system completed, I will start on my DC-DC upgrade. ( i purchased the opus 320 2+years ago...)
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              If a little will do a little good, then a lot will do a lot of good.

              2005 Scion XB with AMD X2 64 5600+, 17" Touchscreen, Centrafuse

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              • #8
                New Screen Mount

                Here are images of the screen mount after sandblasting, but before painting:



                Click to enlarge.




                This is much more stable than the mount we built for the 15" touchscreen. It worked fine, but it was dash-mounted. This is floor-mounted, and it's rock-solid.
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                If a little will do a little good, then a lot will do a lot of good.

                2005 Scion XB with AMD X2 64 5600+, 17" Touchscreen, Centrafuse

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                • #9
                  Touchscreen Floor Mount

                  Here's how the mount looks installed with the Elo 17" touchscreen on it.



                  Click to enlarge.

                  The mount bolts to the left passenger seat mount at the rear, and to the transmission tunnel at the front. From the vertical bar forward, it disappears under the carpet.


                  In the lower picture, you can see the aluminum crossbrace tube, which bolts to the upper part of the vertical bar, goes across the car, through the lower fascia panel and back into the opposite side of the tunnel. It bolts to an existing floor mount there. Most people never seem to notice it, and it adds stability to the system.

                  While the screen encroaches a little on the passenger's knee space, that's only a problem with very long-legged people. The mount itself doesn't seem to bother anyone because it's up just enough off the floor to be unnoticeable.
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                  If a little will do a little good, then a lot will do a lot of good.

                  2005 Scion XB with AMD X2 64 5600+, 17" Touchscreen, Centrafuse

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                  • #10
                    Screen on Mount

                    Here's how the 17-inch Elo touchscreen looks from the driver's side. The angle of the screen is adjustable, from tilted back, as shown, to tilted down about 30 degrees from the horizontal.



                    Click to enlarge.
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                    If a little will do a little good, then a lot will do a lot of good.

                    2005 Scion XB with AMD X2 64 5600+, 17" Touchscreen, Centrafuse

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                    • #11
                      OMG, is this Josh? So this is your sons ride Rdholtz? OMG, now I can really picture the officers face when he say that big @$$ screen. Have you ever thought of making a rotating system for it, so when its only you in the car, you can adjust the screen towards you?
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                      • #12
                        LOL -- yes, you have figured us out!

                        On the question of screen rotation: I have tried to keep the mount as rigid as possible, and also maintain plausible deniability when it comes to law enforcement. I know I am pushing the limits with this "navigation system" so is made sense to make it look more like a system that is setup for the car/passenger.

                        My friends in law enforcement have made it quite clear, they don't care if it is a 42" screen... if I have a movie playing and it's viewable from the driver seat... they can write a note to my mom and the local judge. (Your local laws may vary)

                        We have also talked about the navigation portion of it... the only law on the books (GA/FL) that applies to Navigation, is the distracted driver laws... and these are open to interpretation by the officer/Judge. So, if they see you weaving (even within your lane) they can stop you and write you.

                        So, if you are eating a burger, drinking coffee, texting on your cell phone, smoking... etc

                        focus on the road first.
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                        If a little will do a little good, then a lot will do a lot of good.

                        2005 Scion XB with AMD X2 64 5600+, 17" Touchscreen, Centrafuse

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                        • #13
                          Work in Progress

                          I know it’s a waste of time telling any of you that this is a work in progress...

                          But it is.

                          I spent some time this weekend visiting friends who live.... hmmm... to say this politically correctly... we are in different tax brackets.

                          They have current model his and her's lexus... one hybrid, one very sweet SC... Anyway, during our conversation the carputer came up... so while walking out they insisted upon seeing it.

                          I love the geek factor, but when I saw how much they admired my toys...

                          All of us have something people can not yet buy!! The collective creative genius in these forums is not yet available in any show room!

                          So, here's to all of you!! keep up the great work!!

                          Our “work in progress” have more bells and whistles than the showrooms of Lexus!
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                          If a little will do a little good, then a lot will do a lot of good.

                          2005 Scion XB with AMD X2 64 5600+, 17" Touchscreen, Centrafuse

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                          • #14
                            The other portion, I forgot to mention... since someone ripped my 15" screen out of the dash... I decided with the 17"... Steel, Welding and large bolts were in order...

                            Since the monitor is drilled for both hole patterns... we installed all 8 screws.

                            Overkill is a lot of fun...
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                            If a little will do a little good, then a lot will do a lot of good.

                            2005 Scion XB with AMD X2 64 5600+, 17" Touchscreen, Centrafuse

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ozzy71 View Post
                              LOL -- yes, you have figured us out!

                              On the question of screen rotation: I have tried to keep the mount as rigid as possible, and also maintain plausible deniability when it comes to law enforcement. I know I am pushing the limits with this "navigation system" so is made sense to make it look more like a system that is setup for the car/passenger.

                              My friends in law enforcement have made it quite clear, they don't care if it is a 42" screen... if I have a movie playing and it's viewable from the driver seat... they can write a note to my mom and the local judge. (Your local laws may vary)

                              We have also talked about the navigation portion of it... the only law on the books (GA/FL) that applies to Navigation, is the distracted driver laws... and these are open to interpretation by the officer/Judge. So, if they see you weaving (even within your lane) they can stop you and write you.

                              So, if you are eating a burger, drinking coffee, texting on your cell phone, smoking... etc

                              focus on the road first.
                              Well my understanding is that as long as your screen is not displaying video (where the driver can see) then you are not breaking the law. You can even put a 62 inch screen (I know I'm exaggerating) and they cant say anything unless its showing video and like you said, being a major distraction. i wonder what they are going to say when mine is finally done.

                              Originally posted by ozzy71 View Post
                              The other portion, I forgot to mention... since someone ripped my 15" screen out of the dash... I decided with the 17"... Steel, Welding and large bolts were in order...

                              Since the monitor is drilled for both hole patterns... we installed all 8 screws.

                              Overkill is a lot of fun...
                              I hear you. I forgot all about your misfortune. I think thats the reason my setup is so complicated. They could never figure it out, and if they did, the EBY701 is easy to replace. Did your insurance help at all?
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                              1X Ainol Novo Flame Tab
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