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  • Buidling a new PC for my Car looking for opinions on the hardware

    I started out with a EEE PC and although it works fine i am want more power in my car. The following is a list of parts i am planning on getting and looking to see what everyone thing who as been building these for a while:

    Kingston HyperX 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KHX6400D2K2/2G
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820134012

    Seagate Momentus 7200.4 ST9250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache 2.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Notebook Hard Drive -Bare Drive
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148375

    ASUS AT3N7A-I Intel Atom 330 (1M Cache, 1.6GHz, Dual-Core) NVIDIA ION Motherboard/CPU Combo
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131408

    Mini-Box M350 Mini ITX Enclosure
    http://mo-co-so.com/cart/products/Mi...ure-65-12.html

    M4-ATX 250W 6-30V DC-DC Power Supply
    http://mo-co-so.com/cart/products/M4...ly-103-14.html

    I am going to try out Windows 7 ultimate. Been running on my laptop and seems to put really fast.

    i think everything will work together. i am not sure if the power supply and the case will work well. I want everything as tight and small as possible with the biggest impact. the following are the parts i have now

    EEE PC 900 running XP home 2gig RAM 16 GB HD
    Creative Labs sound blaster external card
    P2140 power regulator
    MJS Sirius radio adapter
    GPS receiver
    7 port powered hub
    Pioneer 4 channel amp
    Lilliput 7" touch screen

    I think when i am done with the new system i would sell everything I do not need anymore.
    2009 Volkswagon Tiguan
    Custom Built Carpc, Only way to go

  • #2
    Originally posted by brianteel View Post
    I started out with a EEE PC and although it works fine i am want more power in my car.
    Adding memory and moving from the single-core Atom 270 in the EeePC to a dual-core Atom 330 are good moves that will help with processing everyday tasks. But the Nvidia graphics won't help much for most car uses; it helps with gaming and heavy graphics. What is it you want to do?
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    If just enough is really good, then too much ought to be perfect.

    2006 Scion xB with in-dash Atom & Lilliput 889GL -- Worklog at http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/work...res-links.html
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    • #3
      Originally posted by rdholtz View Post
      What is it you want to do?
      +1

      I do fear that the speed advantages of simply adding a second core are going to be limited, especially if you are moving from a SSD drive to a regular notebook drive (albeit a 7200). In what ways are the eee holding you back?

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      • #4
        Hard drive size mostly and then i have no way to use hibernate or standby because the USB ports stop working, and the drive is full

        i am going to use it for movies music and some other things like that. I like the board because of the sound card that is built on bluetooth built in and many USB ports on it.
        2009 Volkswagon Tiguan
        Custom Built Carpc, Only way to go

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        • #5
          You should add a small SSD (16GB for example), only for the system,
          and use the HDD for swap/hibernation/music/other dynamic data.
          Check my worklog:
          Corsa + Atom + Gentoo Linux + 9" capacitive touchscreen

          Lord of the boards: DFI CP100-NRM

          "Or you can try Ubuntu, but than don't tell everyone you are using linux,
          because it's just a secret unreleased prebeta of Windows 3829" :P

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          • #6
            There's a very interesting review of the Asus board on AnandTech. Check especially page 5, which shows little difference in perceived speed between the Asus board and Intel's Atom 330 board, the D945GCLF2 (which is what I'm running). The Intel board only has 8 USB ports -- 4 on the backplane + 4 via header connections -- versus 10 on the Asus (8 + 2). Although the Intel board has no built-in Bluetooth, a Bluetooth bud is inexpensive. I looked at those minor differences and decided not to spend over twice as much for the Asus board.

            I haven't moved to Windows 7 on the system, so I can't give you a report from personal experience, but an acquaintance was successfully running Windows 7 on the Intel board even before it was officially released.

            I'm not bashing the Asus board here; I'm an Asus fan, and run an EeePC 901 as my backup carPC. It appears that that the Asus board will do everything you need; the only disadvantage I see is the added cost. If I were building an HTPC or the like, I'd jump on that board, especially when they get the Windows 7 drivers released (if they haven't done that already).
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            If just enough is really good, then too much ought to be perfect.

            2006 Scion xB with in-dash Atom & Lilliput 889GL -- Worklog at http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/work...res-links.html
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            • #7
              Part of what i am stuck on is if the board is over kill or not. the computer i am using now is sluggish and constantly thinking when i change screens in centrafuse. I would rather pay more and have something really fast then less and something might frustrate me. I will read the article and see what they have to say about the boards.

              As for the SSD 16gig drive, that is what i am using now and my own fear is that it will be the same way my current one is setup. it is 12/4 split. I have used windows 7 on it and ran great actually much faster than xp but there was no room left for any software. i would need at least 32 gig ssd if that is what i was going to use for it. Is the SSD that much faster than a standard drive. I was under the impression that they were still kind of slow.
              2009 Volkswagon Tiguan
              Custom Built Carpc, Only way to go

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              • #8
                Originally posted by brianteel View Post
                Part of what i am stuck on is if the board is over kill or not.
                Sure, it's overkill. A carPC is overkill. The real question is whether it's over-overkill, and the only judge of that is you. If you buy it and you're happy with it, it's just right.

                Originally posted by brianteel View Post
                Is the SSD that much faster than a standard drive. I was under the impression that they were still kind of slow.
                They vary in speed. The fast ones are pretty fast -- faster than a hard drive -- but they're more expensive. Slower ones are less expensive. In the EeePC, the 4GB SSD is fast, but the secondary one isn't. I run XP on the 4GB drive and install everything else on the secondary drive; it runs fine. But for the carPC, I'm running on a 120GB hard drive, with no SSD, and it's fast enough even with only 1GB of memory.

                SSDs are best when we're reading them, not writing to them, because they have a limited number of writes. Once the system is on there, they shouldn't be used for paging files or temp files. A couple of posts above, simplex said it well:
                Originally posted by simplex View Post
                You should add a small SSD (16GB for example), only for the system, and use the HDD for swap/hibernation/music/other dynamic data.
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                If just enough is really good, then too much ought to be perfect.

                2006 Scion xB with in-dash Atom & Lilliput 889GL -- Worklog at http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/work...res-links.html
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by brianteel View Post
                  Part of what i am stuck on is if the board is over kill or not. the computer i am using now is sluggish and constantly thinking when i change screens in centrafuse. I would rather pay more and have something really fast then less and something might frustrate me. I will read the article and see what they have to say about the boards.
                  I've never used an atom based board, but I worried of the same thing. I just looked- that asus is $160. I paid about $200 for a Jetway m-itx and an amd 5050e (2.6 dual 45w), and the only reason it was that expensive was because the 4850e/5050e are discontinued. They can be had used on ebay for $60, but I wanted to go new for pc parts. I also have 2 serial ports, something that might be handy. I was stuck in the same boat and opted for a more powerful pc to be sure I'd be happy. I'm not saying the 330 isn't enough or that this is the route to take, but that was my decision. The intel board is much much cheaper though, as has been pointed out.

                  Originally posted by brianteel View Post
                  As for the SSD 16gig drive, that is what i am using now and my own fear is that it will be the same way my current one is setup. it is 12/4 split. I have used windows 7 on it and ran great actually much faster than xp but there was no room left for any software. i would need at least 32 gig ssd if that is what i was going to use for it. Is the SSD that much faster than a standard drive. I was under the impression that they were still kind of slow.
                  I have also read that a small ssd for system files smooths out performance considerably. Just remember to look at some SSD reviews and pick one in that price/performance sweet spot. SSD will also be more reliable in the auto environment for both bumps and temperature. So really it has everything going for it but price-per-gigabyte.

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                  • #10
                    my big hang up on hard drive is the price and i do not want to have to buy more than one. I will look into that more.

                    what a bout the case. should i go to something little bigger or would that work just fine.
                    2009 Volkswagon Tiguan
                    Custom Built Carpc, Only way to go

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                    • #11
                      I think that's a great case. I would be concerned about getting the M4-ATX in there, though. You could do as well with an M2-ATX, I'd bet, and it might fit more easily.

                      Since Mini-box manufactures the M-350 case and the M2-ATX (and the M4-ATX), you might call or email them and ask which of their PSUs will fit in that enclosure with the boards you're considering. And you might consider buying directly from them, since you're paying list price, anyway. I bought my M4-ATX direct, and they shipped the same day.
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                      If just enough is really good, then too much ought to be perfect.

                      2006 Scion xB with in-dash Atom & Lilliput 889GL -- Worklog at http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/work...res-links.html
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                      • #12
                        http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-150-XT that is the other power supply i am looking i know it is a direct fit on the board with a 24 atx instead of the 20pin. also it seems that i can get a kit with a power supply for thehouse so i can test easy.
                        2009 Volkswagon Tiguan
                        Custom Built Carpc, Only way to go

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rdholtz View Post
                          I looked at those minor differences and decided not to spend over twice as much for the Asus board.
                          Not minor differences, the whole design is better:
                          -heatsink
                          -ram slot placement
                          -sound card
                          -solid state capacitors

                          You should also check Gigabyte GA-GC330UD: not overkill as the ASUS board, but still,
                          you get better BIOS, heatsink, capacitors, for almost for the same price as the Intel board.

                          Conclusion:
                          Do NOT go the Intel board, go with the Gigabyte one,
                          or if you want onboard HDMI, 7.1 and bluetooth, go with the ASUS.
                          Check my worklog:
                          Corsa + Atom + Gentoo Linux + 9" capacitive touchscreen

                          Lord of the boards: DFI CP100-NRM

                          "Or you can try Ubuntu, but than don't tell everyone you are using linux,
                          because it's just a secret unreleased prebeta of Windows 3829" :P

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                          • #14
                            i am thinking Asus is still the best even after looking at everything. it always gives me the option to bring it inside and use it on a tv for any onboard movies
                            2009 Volkswagon Tiguan
                            Custom Built Carpc, Only way to go

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                            • #15
                              I am doing some more looking into SSD drives and they seem really best for a car like stated above. shock proof and better temperature. I am thinking about doing a single 64 gig drive to house music OS, and the rest of the software i want to install. i saw someone said it can on be written a certain amount of times. anyone know how many times?
                              2009 Volkswagon Tiguan
                              Custom Built Carpc, Only way to go

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