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    First off my dash

    pleanty of room, ac/heater never worked, so I can actally use all four spaces if I want to.
    top is empty, middleish is a cd deck, middleish #2 is heater/ac, and bottom is cigarette lighter. All four are full sized din slot, with a pretty good amount of room in back of them.
    I plan on mounting the computer in the wheel well infront of the wheel's, in back of the door.
    Okay, here are my plans, and this is what I have gotten

    full sized p3 motherboard (I also have a fanless 500mhz mini-itx, but decided it is too gutless)
    standard tray type dvd-rom laptop drive, adaptar on the way hopefully
    2 gig(for testing) laptop hard drive with adaptar
    usb keyboard/mouse(smaller then normal) and a trackball
    cheap 5.1 surround sound card, just for testing, will upgrade if I am happy am not happy with it
    few other things that I know I have forgotten

    things I have planned
    I want to have a external(not flush mouted) screen, and I want to be able to revert back to a stockish stereo and dash, if I sell/wreck the car
    I want to do 5.1,(I know I will get flammed for this, but whats the big deal, I run a couple of extra wires, and if I dont like it, I will just rewire it to 2 channel) with a center speaker where the clock(the square hole) and vents are. I should be able to just block off the vents and fit an encloser in there
    probably going to go with a couple, maybe 5 51/4 infinity speakers, with a free air sub system, I havent decided on the subs, cause when I say carputer at an audio shop the freak out and tell me it wont work.

    anyways, 5.1 surround sound
    24v cop/military 300 watt dc-dc power supply(overkill, but I plan upgrades, major ones)
    dual batteries, with 130 amp alt upgrade
    few external usb hubs/enclosers
    I want to try a cheap lcd tv/radio/XGA thingy, just for kicks, as well as a couple of tv outs just for fun/dvd's, prolly a zenarc without touchscreen
    pci pcmia controller card
    pcmia wireless internet, using cellphone bandwidth(not a cheap plug into cellphone type) ment for portable laptop
    wireless network hub/network card, so I dont have to sit in the car to upload mp3's

    Now lets go into details/pricing
    p3 motherboard free, + gas to get it
    standard tray type dvd-rom laptop drive, adaptar on the way hopefully$3.50 + shipping
    2 gig(for testing) laptop hard drive with adaptar hard drive free, adaptar $8.00 locally
    usb keyboard/mouse(smaller then normal) and a trackball,? had it laying around
    cheap 5.1 surround sound card, $10 like 4 years ago.
    24v cop/military 300 watt dc-dc power supply $50
    dual batteries, with 130 amp alt upgrade around $180 with battery isolator
    few external usb hubs/enclosers $ 50
    cheap lcd tv/radio/XGA round $100 locally
    pci pcmia controller card $20-30 ebay
    pcmia wireless internet $60 a month, free installation/parts
    wireless network hub/network card, so I dont have to sit in the car to upload mp3's free, have lots laying around
    decent video card, around $50 or so, unless I find one that works.

    So far everything looks fairly good. little over budget already, but I see this is a common occorance here . hopefully a couple of trick/one of a kind products here, hopefully a couple of firsts as well.

    So far what do you think? I have alittle bit more money to throw at this as of late, and plan to make quite a bit of progress soon. I also plan to mix it up alot and throw an ungodly amount of power hungry parts at this. so it will be lots of fun.
    Progress,.... that is what I keep forgetting ;)
    planning_[++++++++++]. 110%
    parts___[++++++----] around 60%
    install___[-----------] -9,000%

  • #2
    check your specs. Unless i'm mistaken, the center and subs channel jack are the same. You'll need a high and lowpass crossover, i believe. If you wan't be deterred, have fun with that. Yeah, i'm doing my stuff form barters and preexisting. I STILL have a good half grand to spend since i need a screen. If you ever get tired of the screen, let me know. I'll have friends who'll want it when i finish my setup ;-).

    Infinitys are what i'm using (going to be using when i install). Circuit City is having a sale right now for their subs if you're interested. 2 for 1. 100 for 10" 110 for 12". Audio shops are stupid when it comes to this. We're out of their league. Just remember to have a 4 channel amp for your speakers. Personally, i have an oldschool Rockford Fosgate 4040DSM. Now only do i have front and rear in seperate channels, i can dasiychain my amps. You wont' need that with 5.1. Actually, you may want TWO 4 channel amps, alteast one with buitl in crossovers. Have your left and right signals split between the front and rear inputs and use the buitl in crossovers to set the front (center) to high pass and the rears (subs) to low pass. I'm just wondering how you'll direct the power... just read what i said about KISS and interface and distractions on yrou last thread. If you want to view MY progress, here it is
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    • #3
      oh, if you have any extra 256 dimm of PC133 you want to just give away, let me know too;-)
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      • #4
        I may have 256 pc133 I may let go for a decent price, lemme check on it and I will let you know.
        If you have ever looked at the outputs, if you unplug just the sub channel, you now have no bass, you can just get a 1/8 inch stero plug spit to two rca cables and you have split the channels, and plugs right into the input for an amp.
        I havent tested the range between the speaker ranges, you may get alittle bit of midbass, maybe even alittle bit of high on the sub channel. I had a 3 1/2 inch sub or so and a couple of 1.5's on my current computer surround sound, so I honestly dont know. I would imagine it would be very little if any though. One of those trial and error things. here is how I am gonna split things,
        I have a cheap sony 444wx4 channel amp, but when all is said and done, it is about 50 or so watts perchannel, not earth shaking, but like I said, I plan on doing major upgrades, and this is just to let me know how things go. Then I will just run a 50 watt or so amp for the center channel, sticking it under the front seat, and then splitting the bass channel up into the trunk.

        I want to run possibly 2 10's and 2 12's, just to say I did. But for now, I will be okay with okay speakers all around and no subs. honestly, 250 watts would be alot better then what I have now.

        them old school amps can still hit pretty hard. My dad had a 15 watt amp that could shake the windows with about 10 speakers on it.
        Progress,.... that is what I keep forgetting ;)
        planning_[++++++++++]. 110%
        parts___[++++++----] around 60%
        install___[-----------] -9,000%

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Haystack
          Okay, here are my plans, and this is what I have gotten
          standard tray type dvd-rom laptop drive
          I had one of those as well.....you'll break off the tray on the first bump,lol.

          Originally posted by Haystack
          things I have planned
          I want to have a external(not flush mouted) screen, and I want to be able to revert back to a stockish stereo and dash, if I sell/wreck the car
          Different folks,different strokes.....but,you can go to pick-a-part or Summers or Western Sandy Metal for $20 and buy all the dash pieces you need.Bondo dust is fun,lol.

          Originally posted by Haystack
          I havent decided on the subs, cause when I say carputer at an audio shop the freak out and tell me it wont work.
          You're lucky if in the whole valley you can find a shop where an installer even knows there is such a thing.Remind me to tell ya my experience when I had a piece of trim made for my old monitor,and they couldn't figure out what the 15 pin connector was for.....

          Originally posted by Haystack
          24v cop/military 300 watt dc-dc power supply(overkill, but I plan upgrades, major ones)
          dual batteries, with 130 amp alt upgrade
          prolly a zenarc without touchscreen
          decent video card, around $50 or so, unless I find one that works.
          Ummm,I hope you mean a 12v dc-dc psu.....otherwise,you're going to have to buy a step up converter.
          The alternator upgrade is a great idea,anything else is most definitely overkill.
          You'll like the xenarc,and you really don't have to have a touchscreen.I gutted a keyboard for it's controller,and use a few lit momentary switches as control buttons.
          A decent video card can be had at ebc for less than $30,as you don't really need to play doom3 in the car,do ya?

          Originally posted by Haystack
          So far what do you think? I have alittle bit more money to throw at this as of late, and plan to make quite a bit of progress soon. I also plan to mix it up alot and throw an ungodly amount of power hungry parts at this. so it will be lots of fun.
          Sounds good so far,post some pics as you go.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Haystack
            I may have 256 pc133 I may let go for a decent price, lemme check on it and I will let you know.
            If you have ever looked at the outputs, if you unplug just the sub channel, you now have no bass, you can just get a 1/8 inch stero plug spit to two rca cables and you have split the channels, and plugs right into the input for an amp.
            I havent tested the range between the speaker ranges, you may get alittle bit of midbass, maybe even alittle bit of high on the sub channel. I had a 3 1/2 inch sub or so and a couple of 1.5's on my current computer surround sound, so I honestly dont know. I would imagine it would be very little if any though. One of those trial and error things. here is how I am gonna split things,
            I have a cheap sony 444wx4 channel amp, but when all is said and done, it is about 50 or so watts perchannel, not earth shaking, but like I said, I plan on doing major upgrades, and this is just to let me know how things go. Then I will just run a 50 watt or so amp for the center channel, sticking it under the front seat, and then splitting the bass channel up into the trunk.

            I want to run possibly 2 10's and 2 12's, just to say I did. But for now, I will be okay with okay speakers all around and no subs. honestly, 250 watts would be alot better then what I have now.

            them old school amps can still hit pretty hard. My dad had a 15 watt amp that could shake the windows with about 10 speakers on it.
            1/8" to rca is exactly what you need. I have my home system wired that way so i can get sound on my pocket pc. Red GTi VR6 is into sound competitions. Cheap amps= cheap sound. Its true too. good old school amps rocked, i am using one myself, but make sure its from a GOOD company. I hear coplaints about sony. Most small woffers won't give you the bass response you, or anyone, woudl like. You need subs. Take advantage of that CC sale i told you about while you can. i just got my basslink...i won't be needing it :-)









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            • #7
              More pics of the interior please...

              Peace,

              Rafster
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              • #8

                http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/...4&d=1120787016
                http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/...3&d=1120786855

                The glove box is the smallest I have ever seen. It is only maybe 4 or 5 inches deep in a V shape.
                I will get better pics when its light out. Also, not all of these pics are of my car.
                Progress,.... that is what I keep forgetting ;)
                planning_[++++++++++]. 110%
                parts___[++++++----] around 60%
                install___[-----------] -9,000%

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                • #9
                  How the debate rages on. Windows vs. linux, laptop vs. desktop. Who will win?

                  I decided I want to have both of both.

                  I want to put a small linux version on my crappy 500mhz mini-itx board, and throw in a p-4ish laptop with a broken screen.

                  Laptop, I will just extend the power button, use a dc-dc solution, and pull the cdrom and put it in a external enclosure.

                  Mini-itx I will use a regular dc-dc power supply, with a startup controller or what not, and throw in a remote starter in the car so the mini-itx loads up automatically.



                  Linux,on the mini, will ONLY play mp3's and dvd's, assuming I can find drivers and what not for both for linux.

                  The laptop will have windows 2000, along with intergrated LAN, and a wireless car, with misc. usb devices. (GPS, external hard drive ect.) And I will run a wireless internet card, using the PCMCIA slot.

                  Now I have :

                  Windows w/

                  Internet
                  GPS
                  DVD
                  decent stability

                  Linux w/
                  internet
                  mp3
                  surround sound
                  awsome stability

                  Now there are pro's and cons to both laptop and desktop's, but I basically overcome both.

                  Music will play, as soon as I get in the car, windows will hybernate, and load up in 20ish seconds with gps and dvd/cd drive.

                  That way, I can hack linux to be really small, and equal good performance ment only for sound with a slower motherboard, and have windows with everything else I need. Copy music converted to mp3's off of windows laptop to linux hard drive, delete mp3's on windows and forget about it. Now to play dvd's, I can just acess the windows dvd drive through the network, and mount it as a regular drive in linux and still get surround sound.

                  As far as the screen/kb/mouse go, I will just get a switch to switch between computers with. I will set the linux computer on the mp3's I want, and switch over to windows and use the gps. Instantly switch between the two of them without any real drawbacks.

                  Anything anyone wants to throw in here? Anything I missed?

                  Trunk space isnt that big an issue, if at all, so I really am not worried about that aspect.

                  Lemme know, thanks.

                  *edit*

                  Oh yeah and the laptop will hybernate automatically after 20 or so minutes running off of the battery.

                  And what is cooler then having a wireless network hub in your trunk?
                  Progress,.... that is what I keep forgetting ;)
                  planning_[++++++++++]. 110%
                  parts___[++++++----] around 60%
                  install___[-----------] -9,000%

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                  • #10
                    Now, if you;re running both, i've only seen this integration done once at a house successfully. Maybe i'm deprived of the linux world, but i'm interested in seeing the results. Power issues though. Make sure you fuse these goodies right

                    and where's that pc133 ram you talked about
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                    • #11
                      Yeah I do have the ram if you are interested, I am not sure how well they will intergrate, and if they dont its cause I am stupid, but yeah it should work.

                      I may just run dvd's through the laptop thinking about it.
                      Progress,.... that is what I keep forgetting ;)
                      planning_[++++++++++]. 110%
                      parts___[++++++----] around 60%
                      install___[-----------] -9,000%

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                      • #12
                        oh, if you are interested in the ram I did find it.
                        Progress,.... that is what I keep forgetting ;)
                        planning_[++++++++++]. 110%
                        parts___[++++++----] around 60%
                        install___[-----------] -9,000%

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                        • #13
                          hehe, give me a week to figure out what i'm getting in this barter an we'll talk

                          BTW, have you heard of this software called memturbo? Great little app, give it a whirl if you get the chance. Allowed me to do some things that even my computer savvy friends called computer cruelity.

                          BTW, talk to me more about this integration of yours. I'm really interested.
                          Carputer Progress: Here we go again...

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                          Genesis has speed
                          Genesis has class
                          Genesis sent money
                          before your a__;)

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                          • #14
                            hmm couldnt really get anything to work with that memturbo thingy,....

                            As far as how it goes,

                            Basically, I will run a network hub. I will have linux stripped down,(that will come later, for a while I will prolly just run a bootable, such as knoppix) to play mp3's.

                            That will be basically all it will do. Mp3's and maybe dvd's.

                            Linux can read windows, but not the other way around. The laptop, with a broken screen, will remain basically unmollested. Maybe a remote power button but that is it. I will add gps and wireless internet to it, using a local service provider. It uses cell phone frequencies.

                            Then I wire them together, using the hub, and I put a switch in there for a keyboard/mouse/screen. That is pretty much it.
                            Progress,.... that is what I keep forgetting ;)
                            planning_[++++++++++]. 110%
                            parts___[++++++----] around 60%
                            install___[-----------] -9,000%

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                            • #15
                              I have a few updates, not big ones but updates.

                              So far I have gotten the 500mhz fanless to beep at me, and the beep says bad memory. I put that memory in my desktop and it dosent do anything at all. So I am assuimg that the motherboard is good. Now I just have to find some compatable ram and I should be in good shape. Nothing as far as the laptop is concerned though. I havent been able to find a decent laptop for a good price as of yet. I also decided that I want to step up to a pentium 4ish so that I can play some older, but still newer games.

                              I have worked with the linux integration, and I havent had any problems with it so far. On my dad's laptop, to mydestop running linux, I can access all information easily, so so far so good. I havent tried playing a dvd off of it yet, so that is the only thing I dont think I have worked out yet.

                              I am using one of those cruddy 200w power supplies that just click in the power for now, I havent gotten a voltage regulator yet though.

                              I have a hub I can throw in there if I want, and the screen should be on its way soon.

                              Now all I really need is the laptop with its own dc-dc power supply, and a stick of ram. I am not worried about a case for the computer, because it will not be in a place where it can get touched or anything veryeasily. I will prolly just use some realy strong glue to a peice of wood, and hot glue around it incase that gives way. Maybe some 3m wether stripping glue. That stuff works really good. I havent worked out a switch yet, or the keyboard/mouse yet.

                              Keyboard will probably just be a smaller on hidden somewhere like under the seat, with a usb number pad and usb logitech trackball molded into the little console thingy where the power windows switch would go.

                              I havent the slightest where all the wires will go yet, but I dont think it will be that hard. If I can I want to run at least 4 gauge wire to the trunk to a distro block, to split to the amps, laptop, and the trunk well area.

                              I can really see it coming together now.
                              Progress,.... that is what I keep forgetting ;)
                              planning_[++++++++++]. 110%
                              parts___[++++++----] around 60%
                              install___[-----------] -9,000%

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