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  • HELP!! Can't get Auzentech to work with Console for PC tuning.

    Basically what I'm trying to do here is I want to take a stereo signal being output by the computer and split it 3/4-way out of a Auzentech X-plosion card. I've read the wiki for setting up this process by using Console, Frequency Allocator, etc. This card doesn't have ASIO drivers so I've downloaded ASIO4ALL drivers and the card shows up on ASIO4ALL...



    After that, I proceed to Console and click AUDIO option. Then I click on AUDIO DEVICE tab then select ASIO for DRIVER TYPE then ASIO4ALL for DEVICE. After that I select the INTERNAL components...

    [media]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3294/2401560238_6dd076cfba_b.jpg[/media]

    For now, I just need to get this working. How can I split this signal coming from WAVE IN to 3/4 channels (I want to go 3 or 4 way active by using Frequency Allocator, EQ, etc)? When I just connect the outputs from WAVE IN to the first 2 inputs for WAVE OUT (Pic below), all I get is noise and nothing else.

    [media]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2111/2401560318_d9de91a1f1_b.jpg[/media]

    When I apply a EQ in between, the noise gets EQ'ed but when I try to play music, the music playback doesn't seem to get effected. It seems as if the music playback is playing "over" Console and not being processed by Console. How do I take a simple signal being outputted by Windows and process it? I'm so confused and I've been trying to configure this for hours now. It's so frustrating!

  • #2
    You need some form of 3rd party routing.

    Virtual Audio cable is one possible way.

    The other is spdif out looped back to the spdif input.
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    • #3
      Hey Durwood, I was hoping you'd chime in. Thank you!

      As for your suggestions, I have tried playing with VAC but I had no luck and I have no clue what I was doing. Would you mind expla

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      • #4
        VAC sorta simulates a sound card, allowing you to digitally transfer music data from program to program.

        you want to create 1 VAC, which will be your main input for audio to play thru.. in other words.. the output of say winamp will play to the VAC you setup. from this line, your VSThost will pick up the audio, process it, then you set the program to output to your sound card(which is now controlled by asio4all, each channel will have to be assigned to a particular plugin).
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        • #5
          I have tried that but I still can't get it to work in either Console or VSTHost. I don't know how to select IN and Outs in VSTHost.

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          • #6
            I'm going off of what he has here, but expanding on it. Hopefully it makes sense, I briefly tried it myself.
            http://www.thuneau.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97

            1) Install ASIO4ALL
            2) Install VAC
            3) Setup TWO cables, first one make it 2 channels the second one make it 8 channels. Open VAC control panel and set "NC" for 1...8 on cable 2 to make it 8 channels.
            4) Open up ASIO4ALL control panel, go to advanced mode and enable both VAC1 and VAC2 (they should be green).
            5) Open up Windows control panel and set Primary card as VAC1
            6) Open up VAC's Audio Repeater app and set input for VAC2, output for your soundcard (auzentech). Set channel config to 6-8 channels depending on soundcard, wither use 7.1 or "custom" to do so, then press "start".
            7) Open up Console and go to the "Audio" button.
            8) Select "driver type" as ASIO
            9) Select "Device" as ASIO4ALL
            10) Click "Channel" and deactivate all VAC2 channels in the input side by clicking on it with the mouse and then go to the output side and deactivate VAC1 channels on the output side.
            11) Now you should be ready to wire things up in console.

            If this works or doesn't work please let me know, or make note of other steps you had to do to make it work. I would like to add this into the wiki for others.
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            • #7
              Wow. that's helpful...and I just bought a $1500 soundcard because I couldn't figure that out...Oh well...
              Andy Wehmeyer
              Product Marketing Manager
              Harman Consumer Group
              Mobile, Portable and Companion Products Division

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              • #8
                You could have bought a $100-$200 soundcard and it would have been easier and all the routing is built in to the drivers.

                What card did you pick up for $1500 and no JBL MS-8 for you? (BTW I saw your posts and it was delayed again?)
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jiggad369 View Post
                  I have tried that but I still can't get it to work in either Console or VSTHost. I don't know how to select IN and Outs in VSTHost.
                  you do that by configuring the ins and outs of each plugin. your very first plugin should take the input from VAC1 - channels 1 and 2(which is the output of winamp,etc). then you wire your plugins how you would like. Your last plugin(s) will need to route to VAC2 - channels 1-8 (which is connected to the output of your soundcard via audio repeater)

                  as most plugins are stereo or mono only, you will have to use a plugin to cover each pair of outputs you have.

                  On another note, durwood, That method does work. The only problems im having now are that im only getting 2ch output and the vsthost maximizes itself during opening.

                  The 2ch problem only started happening after I had restarted my PC. Upon bootup into windows, it asked me to install the drivers for my sound card. After that, my PC no longer outputs to 6ch.

                  VSTHost maximizes itself when loading all the plugins, despite having a shortcut open the program "minimized." Do you know of anything that forces the minimizing of the application?
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                  • #10
                    I haven't worked with VSTHost, I use Console. I'll have to try VSThost but I thought when I first tried it all I could ever get out of it was 2 channel so I didn't bother with it anymore at that point.

                    AS far as maximize/minimize, you could use Autoit and make and EXE script file that loads your setting's and then minimizes the window maybe? That would be the route I would try. Then stick the EXE file into your startup folder.
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                    • #11
                      Hey Durwood, I played with this for hours last night until 4am. I finally got VAC to work. I can now tell Windows to output from VAC1 and then VAC2 (input) and HDA XPLOSION (output) on Audio Repeater (See Pic below).

                      I set it up just the way you had told me to but when I go to console and click Channel, I see 8 inputs and 8 out when I set NC Range for VAC1 at 1..2 and VAC2 at 1..8. If you look at the ASIO4ALL Screen below, you can see there are 8 INS and 8 Outs on both VAC cables. I don't know if this is causing my current problem but here it goes...

                      After many hours of playing with this thing, I couldn't get Console to work. So I went to VSTHost. At first when I had the setup done in the bottom pic, I didn't get any sound. As soon as I opened up VSTHost and created a Anwida 31 EQ, i got sound! Yayyy!!! It wasn't clear sound but I went to XEAR3D control panel (X-plosion control panel) and selected the option for the SPDIF to loopback in. That made the sound alot better. Now going back to VSTHost, I created another plugin, Allocator. I clicked STREAM in Allocator and that enabled Allocator to work but the sound just became muffled, unclear, compressed, tiny, very very low, etc. It was bad! As soon as I bypassed it, it was clear again. I tried messing with the crossover, but nothing. I then proceeded to options where the input was from VAC1 and output was to ASIO4ALL. Then I went to channel options and made sure only VAC1 Channel 1 and 2 inputs were selected (since there were 8 channels for input as stated above) and I selected all 8 VAC2 output channels.

                      This should've enabled all 4 Stereo outputs form the soundcard, but only the FRONT channel worked. I tried plugging my headphones into the other 3, nothing! There is sound, but it is very very low. It sounded like the sound was being "leaked" from the front channel into the other 3 soundcard channels. WTH is this? I can't seem to figure it out at all. If I can only now get Allocator to output each type of band (Low, Mid1, Mid2, High) to the respective 4 stereo output channels from the soundcard, I'll be in good position to start processing the Windows output signal. But I'm stumped right now. Please help Durwood!!! lol.

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                      • #12
                        Ok, I just looked a bit at VSTHOST.

                        Try this:

                        1) Goto "Device" Menu and select "WAVE"
                        2) Then for the input port select "VAC1"
                        3) For Output select "ASIO4ALL"
                        4) Now figure out how to connect the plugins
                        5) Test with headphones to see what channels are routed to what.

                        Notes:
                        Allocator has level controls in it.
                        IF allocator is confusing, try "Rubber filter" instead.
                        Make sure VAC is set as your Primary Soundcard in the windows sounds control panel.

                        Here is what is happening if you need to visualize it.

                        Windows/audio player -> VAC1 -> VSTHOST (thru ASIO4ALL) -> VAC2 -> (Thru Audio repeater) soundcard hardware outputs. You might need to make sure the soundcard is setup for 7.1 output in it's own control panel to activate those hardware outputs

                        Does this make sense? Try that out and please report back.
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                        • #13
                          oh and if you have stereo sound only...

                          Do you happen to have a plugin for EACH PAIR of outputs? If you have a 7.1 card.. you need 4 stereo plugins to get this to work.

                          after following durwoods instructions (steps 1-3), go to Devices ~> Asio Channel selection and on the input side, select VAC1 channels 1-8 (it may say VAC 1 ch 1-3 only, and then "Not Connected" for the other channels), then on the output side select VAC2 channels 1-8(also selecting the "not connected" channels). Select all devices might be checked for both, so uncheck that tick box if you are unable to select your devices.

                          once you have that setup...
                          click Engine ~> Configure
                          Make note of which engine inputs correspond to the VAC1 channels (you want VAC2 1 and VAC1 2, which should be Engine input 1 and Engine input 2 after the previous config step)
                          Now make note of which engine outputs correspond to VAC2 (Should be in order engine out 1 = VAC2 1, engine out 2 = VAC2 2, etc.)

                          Plugins:
                          For simplicity sake... lets put 4 EQ's only for now. Each EQ should have its inputs set to Engine in 1, and engine in 2. You can do this by right clicking on each plugin.. then go to assign input channels, and verify that "Engine Input 1" and 2 are selected. Now... to get outputs... Select assign output channels, but this time your first EQ will have Engine output 1 and 2, your second EQ will have Engine output 3 and 4, your third will have 5 and 6, etc.

                          if you would like to see a graphic representation of sound output of all channels, click the "master" button. should look like 3 green bars. There you will see your output channels. With winamp configured to play through VAC1.. and audio repeater is configured for 8 channels, 48000hz, 24bit, etc... you should now be able to see ALL of those analyzers bouncing up and down to the music.

                          im going to try messing with my car now.. but that should get you pretty close to where I am now. If that stuff works for you.. i would delete the plugins.. then start setting up the series of plugins you want in a similar fashion.. except this time only your first plugin will be setup for engine input 1 and 2.. then from that plugin, you can string other plugins to it(if you plan to split the stereo signal into two separate signals, theres another step you need to do after stringing them together).. and your last plugins should be your 4 output plugins(crossovers).
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                          95% COMPLETE! FINALIZING SOFTWARE PLATFORM!

                          [XXXXXX--------------]
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                          • #14
                            Hey durwood and miztah, thank you guys for having patience with me. I FINALLY got Console to work somehow. I can now chain OUTPUT 1 and 2 from the WAVE IN (8 total inputs) and connect it to the INPUT 1 and 2 on the WAVE OUT (8 total outputs). When I do this, I can get sound. However, There are still two major problems that I'm encountering.

                            First, the Allocator is completely screwing up the sound. With it being connected in the middle of the ASIO INs and OUTs, it sounds perfect but with it being chained in the middle, it just alters the sound in a very very bad way. I'm hoping to record it and let you guys hear it. I would assume that the default settings on the Allocator would alter the sound at all but I'm stumped about this issue.

                            Second, when I connect all of the 8 outputs, I'm only getting sound from the FRONT output from the soundcard. I even chained Allocator in the middle and if I only connect 1 & 2 outputs from Allocator to 1 & 2 inputs on the ASIO WAVE OUT, I only get LOW bass output. When I connect all 8 outputs from the allocator to the 8 inputs on the WAVE OUT (like in the pic below), I was assuming all four sets of the soundcard physical outputs would have it's respective processed signal being outputted. I was wrong. It doesn't. Even when all 8 outputs from the Allocator are chained to the 8 inputs on the WAVE OUT (see pic below), all of the signals are being summed to the FRONT output on the soundcard. I FOR SURE enabled the 8 channel output option selected in the soundcard control panel. What could be causing this?


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                            • #15
                              What does problem 1 sound like? Is it lots of clicking and popping or something else?

                              I noticed in the ASIO4ALL control panel your ASIO buffer is only 512. Set it as high as you can go to get rid of clicking and popping.

                              The second problem I'm not sure what that might be. Maybe try using the newest version of VAC/Audio repeater. The version I was playing with was 1.18.

                              I understand the problem, I just can figure out why VAC is not routing it's 8 channels properly to the soundcard outs. Can you get anything out of the other channels at all?
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