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    I've been looking into running a carputer for a while now and I'm still taking precautionary steps to make sure I get it done right the first time. Today I've been thinking about how I want to lay out my speakers and what not. It'll be a mess but hopefully I'll be able to make it as nice as I can. I'll try to post a basic pic that I had made in paint. Well gotta go home. I'll read more and update tomorrow.

  • #2
    you have way too many speakers, i'd drop the 6x9's and the rear components. maybe add a set of coaxials in the rear but you can get away with only using them when you have passengers in the car. next either drop the woofers in the door or use the 8" as a dedicated midrange in a 3 way setup... if you go with an 8" in the door make sure you spend a lot of time and money on dampening the door so it'll get the most from those drivers. Look into a good quality 3 way set up with 8" woofers (i.e. dynaudio) you could get away with going active as well and saving a grip load of cash. If this were my car i'd look into a 6-7" component for the fronts, a single 12 or pair of 10's in the rear and coaxials (maybe) in the rear. keep it simple and you'll have a lot better sound quality. actually if you want to hear my exact setup in my s40 it's being built with a vifa tweeter, a 6.5" phaze mid and a 12" tc sounds woofer. no rears and powered by a single 5 chan amp. this isn't over the top by any stretch of the imagination but it should deliver great sound.
    New System in progress:
    M10k
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Dynaudio MD130
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Seas g18rnx/p
    Zapco Ref 500.1 ~ 12" tc-9
    Behringer DCX2496 ~ Envision Electronics psu
    Transflective Xenarc

    My Car Pc Install
    My Boat Pc worklog

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    • #3
      and if you are putting a carputer in, you can possably do away with the EQ as well

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      • #4
        I was going to have so many speakers because it is a large vehicle and if I could I'd be running two seperate sections of speakers essentially. That way if I want to turn off the rear cause someone is sleeping back there then I can just run the fronts or if there's someone in the back watching a movie and someone in front listening to music I'd like to be able to do that. I had the eq in there for seperation and clarity and amplification. I'd like to have a really nice all aroud system that fills the entire vehicle and has nice surround so if I'm watching a movie in the back (I want to have a 20" flat screen for rear passengers) then I can have surround sound. I was thinking about hooking those rear mids up as fronts and the 6x9s as rear speakers so if I'm at the drive in then I will get good sound (at the drive in the best way to lay and watch is out the back). Maybe I'll just put large components in the front to take the place of the 8s and mids and run the tweeters still as is. 10s the same (maybe switch to 12s) and keep the rear mids so the rear passengers will have something other than just base.

        Anything I missed? Thanks for the input!

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        • #5
          i stick by my original post. keep it simple, the fewer speakers you have the better it'll sound... not necessarily 'louder' but better.
          what kind of car/suv is this?
          New System in progress:
          M10k
          Phaze TD1500 ~> Dynaudio MD130
          Phaze TD1500 ~> Seas g18rnx/p
          Zapco Ref 500.1 ~ 12" tc-9
          Behringer DCX2496 ~ Envision Electronics psu
          Transflective Xenarc

          My Car Pc Install
          My Boat Pc worklog

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          • #6
            OK FIRST
            there is no such thing as TOO many speakers
            are you looking to jsut do a 2ch set up or 4ch? with subs
            do you want 4.1 5.1? (i saw the center speaker) ect
            i own a little company specializing in weird and awesome speaker setups of ALL kinds, car, home theater, recording studios, concerts... there is NEVER limitations,
            depending on what EXACTLY you wanted to do we could find a solution

            pm me if you want but ill work with you to get your dream to come true
            MY build...a walk thru, finally getting to it

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            • #7
              there is a such thing as too many speakers. just one example: It's much easier for a novice to get better sound with fewer speakers then vise versa. do you not agree? if you do you are agreeing that there is a such thing as too many speakers. if you don't agree with me... well then you're wrong :-)
              New System in progress:
              M10k
              Phaze TD1500 ~> Dynaudio MD130
              Phaze TD1500 ~> Seas g18rnx/p
              Zapco Ref 500.1 ~ 12" tc-9
              Behringer DCX2496 ~ Envision Electronics psu
              Transflective Xenarc

              My Car Pc Install
              My Boat Pc worklog

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              • #8
                Originally posted by scott_fx View Post
                there is a such thing as too many speakers. just one example: It's much easier for a novice to get better sound with fewer speakers then vise versa. do you not agree? if you do you are agreeing that there is a such thing as too many speakers. if you don't agree with me... well then you're wrong :-)

                of course for a novice this is true but we where all novices at one point thats why hes asking us about it
                my recommendation would be componet systems for the surround and then a matching speaker for a center if he has the room and if he REALLY wants the surround sound 5.1 effect

                but there really is no such thing as to many speakers, BUT the more speakers the more difficult the install, the more, amps, power, PLANING you will need to get it perfect, a sound card with controlled outs would also be where you should start

                dont crush the guys dreams, we just got to figure out the EXACT goal and then we help him build a product to suit his needs, better speakers can often replace the "more" speakers and result in better sound
                MY build...a walk thru, finally getting to it

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                • #9
                  more speakers would also localize the sweetspot too. i'm not trying to crush his dreams but rather get him the best sound for his money and skillset. Hell, i'm still sticking with a two way active set up with sub. i'm more for simple yet good sound. I respect your attitude and post, just being involved in a lot of 'grand plans' on this or other sites, i've come to realize that the best advice is the simple advice
                  New System in progress:
                  M10k
                  Phaze TD1500 ~> Dynaudio MD130
                  Phaze TD1500 ~> Seas g18rnx/p
                  Zapco Ref 500.1 ~ 12" tc-9
                  Behringer DCX2496 ~ Envision Electronics psu
                  Transflective Xenarc

                  My Car Pc Install
                  My Boat Pc worklog

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    x2 with Scott. The fewest speakers to get the volume you desire is best/ most simple. Unless you want to disregard SQ... Then run as many as you want! I only say this because I get tempted to use more speakers at times but keeping things simple really is key. Just install fewer, then see how you like it, if your not happy with the output, re-evaluate.

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                    • #11
                      hey im agreeing with you guys that better and fewer speakers is key and what msot people choose dont get me wrong ill spend god money on fewer speakers (google jbl lsr4328p my babies in my bedroom)

                      you will get louder with more speakers if thats his goal

                      our recomendations vs what he actually desires to do thou is all im trying to support
                      MY build...a walk thru, finally getting to it

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                      • #12
                        I do have a very large vehicle with lots of room inside for the front and rear passengers. I kinda don't want to divulge what I have cause from what I've read through in the forums and such it hasn't been done in what I've got (to my knowledge). So I'd like to make it a mystery. eric_barcus, I may pm you and let you know though consideriing you're the only one that says that it's do able so far. I am looking for 5.1 + sound to be happening and I'm not just going for loud I'm going for all around loud and clarity. If I just wanted loud then I'd get a regular stereo and throw a bunch of **** on it. I'm not a novice to speakers just to a computer in a car hooked up with regualr speakers. If it's as easy as getting a good carputer hooking up a external sound card then running the 3 different out puts to a corresponding amp (or to eq first then amps) then from amps to speakers. Like magic sound comes out! I'm just not sure how I should have it wired "correctly". Like the subs, there would be 2 sets. There's only one output for subs and center from the sound card. Do I run that output to the first sub amp then (if there's a relay pre amp out) run to the next set? How would I get the center to tie into that too? Would I just run it from the same connection as the sub just have a bass blocker / freq blocker/regulator in line to it to keep it from blowing my speaker out? I don't think that'd be the case but those are the things I'll need to know.

                        I was looking at some of the newer Creative sound cards last night and wanted to get some input on what people think is a great card to use. Well that's all I've got for now. I'd ask about video too but I'll leave that for the video forum. Thanks!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by zxylon View Post
                          I do have a very large vehicle with lots of room inside for the front and rear passengers. I kinda don't want to divulge what I have cause from what I've read through in the forums and such it hasn't been done in what I've got (to my knowledge). So I'd like to make it a mystery. eric_barcus, I may pm you and let you know though consideriing you're the only one that says that it's do able so far. I am looking for 5.1 + sound to be happening and I'm not just going for loud I'm going for all around loud and clarity. If I just wanted loud then I'd get a regular stereo and throw a bunch of **** on it. I'm not a novice to speakers just to a computer in a car hooked up with regualr speakers. If it's as easy as getting a good carputer hooking up a external sound card then running the 3 different out puts to a corresponding amp (or to eq first then amps) then from amps to speakers. Like magic sound comes out! I'm just not sure how I should have it wired "correctly". Like the subs, there would be 2 sets. There's only one output for subs and center from the sound card. Do I run that output to the first sub amp then (if there's a relay pre amp out) run to the next set? How would I get the center to tie into that too? Would I just run it from the same connection as the sub just have a bass blocker / freq blocker/regulator in line to it to keep it from blowing my speaker out? I don't think that'd be the case but those are the things I'll need to know.

                          I was looking at some of the newer Creative sound cards last night and wanted to get some input on what people think is a great card to use. Well that's all I've got for now. I'd ask about video too but I'll leave that for the video forum. Thanks!
                          O your dream can come true, but any of the audiophile diehards will tell you its not ideal, but I am all for the "too each their own" policy!

                          I just posted a thread for an awesome way to link a PC to car audio that works great even for people who aren't super-saavy with computer sound, programs, etc..

                          http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/car-...ime-offer.html

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                          • #14
                            O and you would hook it up like a head unit, possibly splitting its signal to go to multiple amps or even better, daisy chaining the amps together if they have a pass thru. Most do. Good luck man!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by zxylon View Post
                              I do have a very large vehicle with lots of room inside for the front and rear passengers. I kinda don't want to divulge what I have cause from what I've read through in the forums and such it hasn't been done in what I've got (to my knowledge). So I'd like to make it a mystery. eric_barcus, I may pm you and let you know though consideriing you're the only one that says that it's do able so far. I am looking for 5.1 + sound to be happening and I'm not just going for loud I'm going for all around loud and clarity. If I just wanted loud then I'd get a regular stereo and throw a bunch of **** on it. I'm not a novice to speakers just to a computer in a car hooked up with regualr speakers. If it's as easy as getting a good carputer hooking up a external sound card then running the 3 different out puts to a corresponding amp (or to eq first then amps) then from amps to speakers. Like magic sound comes out! I'm just not sure how I should have it wired "correctly". Like the subs, there would be 2 sets. There's only one output for subs and center from the sound card. Do I run that output to the first sub amp then (if there's a relay pre amp out) run to the next set? How would I get the center to tie into that too? Would I just run it from the same connection as the sub just have a bass blocker / freq blocker/regulator in line to it to keep it from blowing my speaker out? I don't think that'd be the case but those are the things I'll need to know.

                              I was looking at some of the newer Creative sound cards last night and wanted to get some input on what people think is a great card to use. Well that's all I've got for now. I'd ask about video too but I'll leave that for the video forum. Thanks!


                              i didn't think anyone said it's not doable, but just having all those speakers probably isn't the best way to go. When you have multiple drivers playing the same signal from different locations you'll get weird lobing and cancellations to name a couple issues. If you want 5.1 then stick with that. 3 front, 2 surround and a sub (or two).

                              i'm wondering if the h701 wouldn't be the way to go for this application?
                              New System in progress:
                              M10k
                              Phaze TD1500 ~> Dynaudio MD130
                              Phaze TD1500 ~> Seas g18rnx/p
                              Zapco Ref 500.1 ~ 12" tc-9
                              Behringer DCX2496 ~ Envision Electronics psu
                              Transflective Xenarc

                              My Car Pc Install
                              My Boat Pc worklog

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