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  • setting up active crossover with m-audio firewire 410

    Hi,

    I bought m-audio firewire 410! I understood the network system of audiomulch, and build my own network, tested it with samples in audiomulch, it works!! My problem is, I can't get the sound to audiomulch. For example if I use WMP or winamp to generate sound, I can't get that sound into audiomulch. From mixer of firewire 410, I could get the sound to spdif and I chose spdif in the preferances of audiomulch. But no sound! I really appriciate if you can help me!

  • #2
    I'm not familiar with m-audio products, but audio pass-thru like your describing isn't easily done on most cards...
    I use Virtual Audio Cable to accomplish this on my 4-way active setup using AudioMulch.

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    • #3
      I beleive this is about internal routing. I know that firewire 410 and 1010lt have internal routing. The thing I don't understand is I can get the sound to spdif (virtually-so I guess this is internal routing? I can get any sound anywhere I want by selecting through he software of the soundcard). I choose the same spdif in audiomulch and nothing happens?? There was a guide to set up active crossover with console and 1010lt ( http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/high...io-1010lt.html ) I did everything guide says (well except I'm using audiomulch and firewire 410's software is slightly different). Are there any 410 users who can help me?

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      • #4
        If you can't get internal routing to work, you can always set Winamp (or whatever) to output via the 410's S/PDIF, and connect a cable looping the S/PDIF output back to the S/PDIF input, and use the S/PDIF input in AudioMulch. I'm sure you have an extra cable laying around somewhere you can use.

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        • #5
          may be try to set it up with Console-- just temporarily to see what might be missing?

          http://console.jp/en/

          console and audio mulch are just different enough that how-to's like this can mess with you.

          the nice thing is that both offer free demos that really only lockout save functions...

          it seems like they are grabbing the signal from the spdif line by setting up the spdif to play on the 'monitor' output (part of the internal routing?)-- then they are using the monitor output in the vst host to re-route to the other channels
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          • #6
            FW 410 doesn't have internal routing(no fw products from maudio do, their PCI ,like 1010lt do internal routing)...I have to use VAC to feed audiomulch and other such applications....oh, and tried spdif cable looping....didn't really work...VAC is much better
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            • #7
              hmmm... Why spdif cable didn't work? It is interesting... Somewhere in the forum, it was said that firewire 410 supported internal routing... I used VAC for a few days, when windows 7 beta was out. It had problems... I guess I should give it one more chanse...

              Also I want to use centrafuse for front end. I read somewhere that centrafuse does not support asio. It uses Bass engine to play sound, and I found asio plugin for bass engine, would that do the trick? If not, if I use VAC and set my audio output as VAC in centrafuse, and use VAC as audio input of audiomulch, would it be ok?

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              • #8
                centrafuse, or other fe's don't support asio because they are not audio programs...

                to get around this, setup vac as your primary audio output in windows-- so all sound is directed to vac-- which in turn directs it through console/audiomulch..

                i have technically had 3 win 7 pc installs w/ vac, and have not had any problems..(i had to reload my carpc from scratch 3 times--for non-audio related issues--so i have done 2-win7 home, and 1-win7 ultimate installs w/ no vac issues ) btw, i recommend using a 32bit os when doing audio processing-- some plugins don't work correctly in a 64bit environment...

                spdif might not work too well due to all the conversions-- it must first convert it to output over the cable, then receive it, reconvert it to a signal that the pc can use, then re-output it as a analog signal after yet another, final conversion...
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                • #9
                  Thanks to everybody here!! For three years my carpc was in continuous development! All the things I implemented to car pc, was learned here!!

                  I started to use VAC. It is not bad at all... In the time I used it I was using win 7 beta (when beta out was new) and using an old version of VAC. Latest version of VAC works flawlessly in win7. I am able to get the sound in to audiomulch, and use any front end!

                  All I have to do is now to find hibernate trigger. When going into hibernate, this small program should first pause the session of audiomulch, then disable the soundcard (M-audio cards are not hibernate supported). And after going out of hibernate it should enable the soundcard and continue the session of audiomulch. Actually there was a person who wrote a script for m-audio soundcards for a hibernate support; but I have more issues... I even don't know weather my pci-e firewire card supports hibernate or not!

                  If I can solve hibernate issue, I'll write it here!

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                  • #10
                    I researched devcon before; but I thought it was used in win xp. But devcon works in win7! I installed devcon then autoit then found some scripts to enable/disable sound card and start/kill a program.

                    To hibernate I made the script to first kill audiomulch then disable soundcard (this was easy)
                    For getting out of hibernate I made the script to first enable soundcard then run audiomulch; but when I do this I couldn't get sound from audiomulch. I guessed the script attemped to open audiomulch while enabling process is not completed. So I used sleep to pospone the command to open audiomulch. It didn't work either. Then I made it work by making it to first enabling the soundcard then wait 1 sec then open audiomulch, then wait 2 sec, then close audiomulch, then wait 2 sec, then open it again! Guess what? it works! I don't know why; but when getting out of hibernation audiomulch doesn't work at the first run. But I solved my problem by opening it two times! I compiled my scripts (one for hibernating, one for getting out from hibernate), then used hibernate trigger (which understands that pc will be hibernating and runs anything you want during that small time). It works all good! I have hibernation with audiomulch and firewire 410!!

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                    • #11
                      So I guess in Audiomulch you're using DirectSound output and not ASIO, is that correct?

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