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    As you know, I have been a huge fan of wrapping my center consoles and what not. Now it has become an issue because I have scratched and damaged so many interior pieces, that everything needs to be redone, but I would like your advice.

    1) All my body panels, especially the rear, are all damaged, scratched, and nicked. I obviously want to correct that. Every panel in the Dodge has this funny texture to it. Its supposed to look like leather. How do I go about getting it perfectly smooth? Basically I want to do everything in a gloss black. All smooth, no more stupid leather look. Is it as simple as simply sanding it down? I also want to do the same to the doors and basically any type of plastic panel in the car. What potential issues should I watch out for.

    2) I have my C-Pillars that need to be customized. Basically I am building the screens into them, since the seats can not hold them. I have been seeing a technique where they get the shape they want for an item by using a stretchy material, can you guys better explain that technique to me? From tutorials, I see that you have like something creating the shape, then use resin and fiberglass sheets in sections and build it up in layers. Resin, glass, resin, glass. How does it work though when its the stretch material thats the mold? Also once its done and dry, how do you get the imperfections out? Sanding?

    3) My dashboard has holes all over it from experimenting. I wanted to fill those holes, sand the whole thing smooth and paint gloss black to match the rest of the car. How do I go about doing this? My idea was to use card board to fill in the hole temporarily, then build it up with resin and fiberglass. What I am wonder though, is will the resin stick to actual dash board? Like what do I do to make sure the patches never separates from the dash? I do not want to use things like bondo, or epoxies, because from what I recall from Nexson is that the sun and heat will cause it to separate.

    4) As you guys know, my center console is wrapped in vinyl. I was on youtube and I realize that a fiberglass console would look sooooo much nicer and last longer from wear and tear, I currently have a console mad in the shape I want. Is it as simple as simply ripping all the vinyl off and using the fleece? Then building it up the fiberglass? Like how to I go about that?

    5) Also, I am building my side camera holders. They will replace my mirrors. Is there anything special I have to do since its an item that is on the exterior of the car? Also how do I get the fiberglass to stick to the partial existing housing that I am using?

    Anyways, any help would be greatly appreciated.
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    Originally posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    As you know, I have been a huge fan of wrapping my center consoles and what not. Now it has become an issue because I have scratched and damaged so many interior pieces, that everything needs to be redone, but I would like your advice.

    1) All my body panels, especially the rear, are all damaged, scratched, and nicked. I obviously want to correct that. Every panel in the Dodge has this funny texture to it. Its supposed to look like leather. How do I go about getting it perfectly smooth? Basically I want to do everything in a gloss black. All smooth, no more stupid leather look. Is it as simple as simply sanding it down? I also want to do the same to the doors and basically any type of plastic panel in the car. What potential issues should I watch out for.
    i believe the best way is to sand down just past the texture, and then paint it. you might want to consider having a body shop do the painting--using a professional paint gun is going to drastically improve the end-quality of the paint. rattle-can paint can be used, but usually requires wetsanding later to remove the orange peel look.

    though i do partially question this-- i assume some of the panel damage is from loading and unloading your dogs? other then something like painting everything with pickup truck bed liner--which won't be glossy, i don't know how you could paint the panels and avoid the scratches that will later appear(if i was really mean, i could suggest getting rid of the dogs, though i think my chances are better telling you to burn the truck!)...

    Originally posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    2) I have my C-Pillars that need to be customized. Basically I am building the screens into them, since the seats can not hold them. I have been seeing a technique where they get the shape they want for an item by using a stretchy material, can you guys better explain that technique to me? From tutorials, I see that you have like something creating the shape, then use resin and fiberglass sheets in sections and build it up in layers. Resin, glass, resin, glass. How does it work though when its the stretch material thats the mold? Also once its done and dry, how do you get the imperfections out? Sanding?
    i get the impression that you've already looked at some how-to's like this:
    http://www.instructables.com/id/How-...Subwoofer-Box/


    to say that you sand the imperfections out is like saying that launching a space shuttle into space is easy.. 4ofakind's worklog shows watered-down frustration: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/work...project-c.html

    though it is like many things that are really hard to understand until tried...

    basically the fleece becomes part of the component-- it is the 'base material' that is something that the fiberglass resin/fiberglass can easily bond to.

    Originally posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    3) My dashboard has holes all over it from experimenting. I wanted to fill those holes, sand the whole thing smooth and paint gloss black to match the rest of the car. How do I go about doing this? My idea was to use card board to fill in the hole temporarily, then build it up with resin and fiberglass. What I am wonder though, is will the resin stick to actual dash board? Like what do I do to make sure the patches never separates from the dash? I do not want to use things like bondo, or epoxies, because from what I recall from Nexson is that the sun and heat will cause it to separate.
    i think it would be better to get a second dash top from a wrecked truck then to try to recover your old one-- that florida heat would really take a toll on any method i can think of..
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    • #3
      Originally posted by soundman98 View Post
      i believe the best way is to sand down just past the texture, and then paint it. you might want to consider having a body shop do the painting--using a professional paint gun is going to drastically improve the end-quality of the paint. rattle-can paint can be used, but usually requires wetsanding later to remove the orange peel look.

      though i do partially question this-- i assume some of the panel damage is from loading and unloading your dogs? other then something like painting everything with pickup truck bed liner--which won't be glossy, i don't know how you could paint the panels and avoid the scratches that will later appear(if i was really mean, i could suggest getting rid of the dogs, though i think my chances are better telling you to burn the truck!)...
      No the scratches are from me, lol. Constantly trying to mod, taking them in and out. My boys are very good in the car. I want everything gloss!!!!!! I think maybe I should just have a shop do it, but at the same time I want to learn.

      i get the impression that you've already looked at some how-to's like this:
      http://www.instructables.com/id/How-...Subwoofer-Box/


      to say that you sand the imperfections out is like saying that launching a space shuttle into space is easy.. 4ofakind's worklog shows watered-down frustration: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/work...project-c.html

      though it is like many things that are really hard to understand until tried...
      I saw his log. So basically you got it get it right, or do it over to get imperfections out? Im going to research more.

      basically the fleece becomes part of the component-- it is the 'base material' that is something that the fiberglass resin/fiberglass can easily bond to.
      Do you have to layer it up, or only use the fleece?

      i think it would be better to get a second dash top from a wrecked truck then to try to recover your old one-- that florida heat would really take a toll on any method i can think of..
      Thing is I am adding a screen into the top. In fact, its already there.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
        No the scratches are from me, lol. Constantly trying to mod, taking them in and out. My boys are very good in the car. I want everything gloss!!!!!! I think maybe I should just have a shop do it, but at the same time I want to learn.

        like i said, a shop is going to get a better quality finish from the beginning, but here is what i go through for the couple of smaller projects i've done to my car after painting them with normal spray paint/spray clear coat:
        http://www.club3g.com/forum/new-memb...ml#post3118649

        overall, a smaller piece would take about 1/2hr or so, but it is a time consuming process..


        Originally posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
        I saw his log. So basically you got it get it right, or do it over to get imperfections out? Im going to research more.
        you basically buildup the part just past the point where you want it, and then sand it down.

        kind of like building sand sculptures, or drawing cartoons-- you add fiberglass to get a very rough shape(think of the enormous ovals that cartoonists use to get basic arc's, etc), and then use sand paper to fine tune the shape back to how you really wanted it.

        it is just a TOOOOOON of sanding. that is why fiberglass work costs so much-- much of the time it takes to create is labor cost. the required parts cost is quite low.



        Originally posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
        Do you have to layer it up, or only use the fleece?
        keep in mind that i have never done fb work only read/discussed it..(i want to do it some day, but my lack of space prohibits it) 4ofakind or paulf would really have a better idea of this stuff as both of them have actually done it....

        basically, the fleece is the base-- kind of like painting a car fender-- the metal of the fender is the base portion that allows the paint to hold to the car, just like the fleece allows the fb to adhere to the shape you want it to.

        layering fb is usually needed to get the certain thickness desired. but if it is a structural piece, it is a requirement..



        Originally posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
        Thing is I am adding a screen into the top. In fact, its already there.
        why not get a replacement and add the screen to that? that way, the only hole in it is for the end-result, and you don't have to live with something that could delaminate later..
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        • #5
          To get the resin to stick to the piece, you have to severely scare/gouge it up. On top of the I will drill 3/16" holes clear through to the other side. Then I coat with resin, turn it over to make sure the resin is coming out of the other (back) side. This way it not just a surface adherence, its literally holding on from both sides.

          This is a similar concept to drilling and expoxying rebar to and existing concrete footing. You do this cause concrete will seem to bond to existing concrete, but doesn't. The drilling through will make sure they both adhere to a common piece, the rebar set in a common point.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by soundman98 View Post
            like i said, a shop is going to get a better quality finish from the beginning, but here is what i go through for the couple of smaller projects i've done to my car after painting them with normal spray paint/spray clear coat:
            http://www.club3g.com/forum/new-memb...ml#post3118649

            overall, a smaller piece would take about 1/2hr or so, but it is a time consuming process..
            Oh no, I would never spray paint. I would take it to a professional to be sanded and painted. I just want to do the initial fiberglass work.


            you basically buildup the part just past the point where you want it, and then sand it down.

            kind of like building sand sculptures, or drawing cartoons-- you add fiberglass to get a very rough shape(think of the enormous ovals that cartoonists use to get basic arc's, etc), and then use sand paper to fine tune the shape back to how you really wanted it.

            it is just a TOOOOOON of sanding. that is why fiberglass work costs so much-- much of the time it takes to create is labor cost. the required parts cost is quite low.
            Yea, thats what im seeing in the turtorials.



            keep in mind that i have never done fb work only read/discussed it..(i want to do it some day, but my lack of space prohibits it) 4ofakind or paulf would really have a better idea of this stuff as both of them have actually done it....

            basically, the fleece is the base-- kind of like painting a car fender-- the metal of the fender is the base portion that allows the paint to hold to the car, just like the fleece allows the fb to adhere to the shape you want it to.

            layering fb is usually needed to get the certain thickness desired. but if it is a structural piece, it is a requirement..
            OK, I understand that.

            why not get a replacement and add the screen to that? that way, the only hole in it is for the end-result, and you don't have to live with something that could delaminate later..
            Because its very hard to find a dash for my truck, especially in the color I have, Plus it lets me learn have to do patches.

            Originally posted by djvillar View Post
            To get the resin to stick to the piece, you have to severely scare/gouge it up. On top of the I will drill 3/16" holes clear through to the other side. Then I coat with resin, turn it over to make sure the resin is coming out of the other (back) side. This way it not just a surface adherence, its literally holding on from both sides.

            This is a similar concept to drilling and expoxying rebar to and existing concrete footing. You do this cause concrete will seem to bond to existing concrete, but doesn't. The drilling through will make sure they both adhere to a common piece, the rebar set in a common point.
            Thats a awesome idea!

            As far as painting it gloss, I have dropped that idea. I still want to smooth all pieces out, but I am going to paint it the original type finish. After a while, im scared that a gloss finish will show way to many scrathes and streaks.
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            • #7
              Today I started on the dash. Now that I finally have my mind made up, I could blow some of it out. For the passenger, they will get a Lilliput EBY701. I went with it because I had one boxed away. I didnt remember about it till now.




              I then had to do the same thing for the center rear view screen. This thing was a b!+ch to do. It took almost two hours because it was just awkward. I got it done but one area I couldnt figure out. It was the bottom area. Im hoping that when I fleece it, it will be easy to close up.



              As you can see there is a gap on the lower right side. It starts to close as you go towards the left side because the dash has an awkward shape.

              Here is a view from the front of the car.



              All I have to do is wait for the motorized screen for the driver side, then make a mounting system for the motorized screen and the Lilliput. I can start using the fleece to make the shape of the dash.

              Question: How can fill in that gap on the rear view monitor. Do you think it would work to just stretch the fleece across it?

              Any other comments or suggestions?
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              • #8
                I see you already cut quite a bit of your dash away on the passengers side. I would modify that bezel, make it as tight to the monitor as possible and get the monitor as far into the dash as possible in order to integrate it a bit more. That way its not just sitting on the dash taking up the view. Trust me, having a monitor in your face as the passenger will loose its novelty real quick.

                To fill the gap you can use a temporary structure, like clay, or get something that will be perminantly bonded in like metal mesh (like chicken wire) or cardboard.

                As for the clay, look at the end of the first page for the makeing on the center channel and the second page for the finished product: some of my stuff

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by djvillar View Post
                  I see you already cut quite a bit of your dash away on the passengers side. I would modify that bezel, make it as tight to the monitor as possible and get the monitor as far into the dash as possible in order to integrate it a bit more. That way its not just sitting on the dash taking up the view. Trust me, having a monitor in your face as the passenger will loose its novelty real quick.

                  To fill the gap you can use a temporary structure, like clay, or get something that will be perminantly bonded in like metal mesh (like chicken wire) or cardboard.

                  As for the clay, look at the end of the first page for the makeing on the center channel and the second page for the finished product: some of my stuff
                  Well here is the thing, I know its odd, but I want the screen to look like a headunit type setup. I did the same thing with my middle screen. I had Nexson make it so it can accommodate the whole EBY701 as it is, I want the same done on the passenger screen. The big hole was supposed to fit a motorized screen, but I decided to use what I had laying around. Now I use the hole as access to the back of the screen. Makes it easy to take it in and out. Now I get your point, but the area that I have the screen in, is actually the lowest part of the dash. Plus Im a bad host and if they dont like it, they can gets to walkingggggggg. Ive actually sat in the seat and I can see the road, they just cant see the hood.

                  but is using the clay before or after I stretch the fabric and resin it?
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                  • #10
                    I'm still lost on getting the fabric on the dash to get its new shape. I have 3 screens, so I dont know if they should be done individual, or as one big piece?
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                    • #11
                      You probably don't need clay anywhere. I just wanted to show you an option to get a shape that demands a sculpted form. In my thread, I knew the shape I wanted (do to what seems like hundreds of napkin sketches then moving to some 3d models) and I knew I would not be able to achieve the form/contours for the sides near the dash by stretching clothe. This is where the clay came in. I used the clay to roughly model the form I wanted. Then I use fiberglass jelly on top of that. Once hard, I just scooped out the clay, sanded and glazed to a finished form, inserted the ring and stretched clothe (aka an old tee shirt) for the rest of the form.

                      Where my thread might come in handy for you is the base of the center speaker. I wanted it to fit perfectly to the console as if it were factory made. In order to do this, I taped off the console and fiberglassed it. This gave me a perfect base plate. I bonded it to the back plate, let it fully cure, pulled it out and then could work with it out of the car. Once I had the base bonded to the back I then moved to building up the sides out of clay and so on.

                      You can do the same. Make your base plate. (Make it thick so when you stretch cloth from it, it doesn't bend at all. If its not thick and strong it'll bend and you won't notice till you put it back in the car and it doesn't fit at all.) Then bond your monitor housing to it (epoxy, jb weld, whatever will give a stiff bond) then stretch the cloth between the two, fiberglass and done.

                      When you make the base plate make sure to fiberglass 4 inches past where you think you want to duplicate and cut down to size. The edges will always get thin and thus week and thus bend. So 3 to 4" past then cut down into the thicker stronger glass.

                      Now as to making a one piece or three separate components, its all up to you as the designer. I guess what you could do is make the base plate one piece, mount the frames on it, then play with stretching the clothe using a hot glue gun to make it fast during the design phase. try covering as a one piece and again as separate pieces. See what it looks like. If you do a one piece you might want some more structure in between the three frames in order to unify the contours a bit. Otherwise it might just look like random objects stuck under a blanket that got fiberglassed and mounted to your dash. In my opinion two separate units would take up less space but having a one piece with the contours planned to look like an extension of the dash could be bad @$$, though more planning/experimenting is needed.

                      And onto our next topic... blah blah blahbiddy blah blah blah... Sometimes i talk too much. Piece.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
                        ...if they dont like it, they can gets to walkingggggggg.
                        Word!!!

                        Hope the rant helps.

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                        • #13
                          It did help. Thanks! Today I took out the screens, opened them up and put long screws. Basically I will make brackets then screw them into that. That will make it easy to install and take out if needed. Cant wait till Saturday to work more on this.
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                          • #14
                            The screens are now installed in their brackets. They aint going no where! The middle and passenger screen were easy. The driver screen was a hassle. I have to make all the screens easy to take out. I wanted to go with a one piece design to cover all the screens, but looks like I am going to have to with removable pieces. My idea is to build whole covers for each area that combine to look like one piece.

                            Now that you guys see them installed. Any advice or comments?

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                            • #15
                              your truck is starting to remind me of the simpsons cartoon-- when homer bought all the junk that plugs into the cigarette lighter, and installed it in his car...
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