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    should i do it? i have access to all nec materials for free/cheap. im thinking a fiberglass buildup, covered in several layers of cf for looks and strength. the idea is to keep weight down in my 05 mustang gt, and because im bored of mdf.

    12w7 running 1300rms off an arc kar 1000.2t
    probly gonna go sealed @ ~1.5cf, though i wanted to port it...porting would add too much complexity and take up too much space in a car like this with a sub like that.

    any comments or suggestions welcome. i will post a detailed writeup when done of course.
    2005 Mustang GT:
    12w7...arc audio kar1000.2t...jl 300/4 pushng focal 165k2p...pioneer premier deh-880prs...tm-701l...audiocontrol eqs
    want: my stereo actually IN the car

  • #2
    Of course, if you have the materials to hand and you are looking for something interesting to try, I don't know if it will be any better than something you could build out of fiberglass, but why not? You'll probably have a tough time getting the CF to look right but since it isn't costing you much you can always just sand and finish it like it was all glass anyway.

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    • #3
      getting the CF to lay right is a *****.

      You need the self leveling resin, and if you don't work it in the right temperatures, you will run into problems with it self leveling too much and you will end up with pitting.



      For more pics:
      http://www.mj-garage.com/cpg/thumbnails.php?album=25

      First attempt ever with CF, in near freezing temperatures and about 30 hours of wet sanding on the sub enclosure alone to try and get rid of some of the wave in the resin.

      If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
      Jan Bennett
      FS: VW MKIV Bezel for 8" Lilliput - 95% Finished

      Please post on the forums! Chances are, someone else has or will have the same questions as you!

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      • #4
        looks *****in though. if you have the materials, go for it man. be sure to post up pics of the progress!

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        • #5
          well, i wont be going for as flashy a setup as that one! the CF i have is not available to the public, and comes pre-treated and pre-soaked with resin. all i gotta do it heat it to 250* for 120min for it to cure. unless its done under pressure, it doesn't have the glazed-over look that you have, which i am trying to figure out how to accomplish in an oven at home rather than the industrial machines at work. i can always sand and buff it though, and/or paint over it if something goes wrong.

          im gonna be making mostly flat surfaces, so itll take some extra layers, but look like something clean enough to be factory (the goal=simple and clean). my oven is not that huge tho, so i will have to do it in a bunch of pieces and bridge them with fiberglass behind the scenes.

          im using insulation foam boards as a basic mold for the glass, and when its built up, i will do some cf for looks and minimal extra strength. pitting should not be a problem for me on flat surfaces, i hope

          on a side note: i've got to hand it to mp3car.com for how big its gotten. when i used to frequent here a couple years ago, it took a day to get a response a lot of the time! long live carputers and at-home fabrication!!!
          2005 Mustang GT:
          12w7...arc audio kar1000.2t...jl 300/4 pushng focal 165k2p...pioneer premier deh-880prs...tm-701l...audiocontrol eqs
          want: my stereo actually IN the car

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          • #6
            Originally posted by stkdidy ntshidy
            i am trying to figure out how to accomplish in an oven at home
            ummmm, that's one of the biggest no nos of all fabricating time. There are so many chemicals in that stuff that it's unreal. If you ever plan on using that oven at home again, or if you plan on being around for any time during or after that process, it's not a very good idea.
            Jan Bennett
            FS: VW MKIV Bezel for 8" Lilliput - 95% Finished

            Please post on the forums! Chances are, someone else has or will have the same questions as you!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Red GTi VR6
              ummmm, that's one of the biggest no nos of all fabricating time. There are so many chemicals in that stuff that it's unreal. If you ever plan on using that oven at home again, or if you plan on being around for any time during or after that process, it's not a very good idea.
              its an oven in our run-down cottage that is gettin trashed when we rennovate. no food that i can remember has been cooked in it, and i wont be around it except to put it in and take it out. btw, there are no odors of any kind before during or after curing.

              plus, recommend me something that can heat to 250* in a controlled environment that is laying around a typical house...lol! i appreciate the concern however

              edit: what are focal berilium's? I haven't heard of them, yet i run focal's
              2005 Mustang GT:
              12w7...arc audio kar1000.2t...jl 300/4 pushng focal 165k2p...pioneer premier deh-880prs...tm-701l...audiocontrol eqs
              want: my stereo actually IN the car

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              • #8
                The stuff you have access to is known as preimpregnated (prepreg) mat. Heat activated resin. (Actually, it is most likely frozen, as the resin will begin to flow at room temps on most prepregs, the reaction is just real slow at freezing temps.) My point being that just tossing it in an oven will most likely not be good enough. Vacuum bagging in the oven would be ideal. When the resin starts to flow, you run the risk of it pooling at the low spots (can't beat gravity...) and generally looking bad.

                I did, at one point, have the hairbrained plans for an at-home autoclave (the industrial unit you speak of...), but never got around to building one. Maybe now is the time...

                Another tip: If you are just doing flat panels, get yourself a piece of 1/4" glass and put about 10 coats of wax on. Lay your panels up on that. When you pull the panel, it should be "smooth as glass"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Damon
                  The stuff you have access to is known as preimpregnated (prepreg) mat. Heat activated resin. (Actually, it is most likely frozen, as the resin will begin to flow at room temps on most prepregs, the reaction is just real slow at freezing temps.) My point being that just tossing it in an oven will most likely not be good enough. Vacuum bagging in the oven would be ideal. When the resin starts to flow, you run the risk of it pooling at the low spots (can't beat gravity...) and generally looking bad.

                  I did, at one point, have the hairbrained plans for an at-home autoclave (the industrial unit you speak of...), but never got around to building one. Maybe now is the time...

                  Another tip: If you are just doing flat panels, get yourself a piece of 1/4" glass and put about 10 coats of wax on. Lay your panels up on that. When you pull the panel, it should be "smooth as glass"

                  i appreciate the input!

                  i scrapped the idea of doing a fiberglass buildup after realizing in a sample piece that i would never get a flat surface out of it. instead i picked up a bunch of 1/4in 2' x 4' pieces of plywood from home depot, and am building the box out of reinforced pieces of that. i have most of the main panels cut and shaped, and carbon fiber-ed the side panel. it turned out alright, with a couple tangential issues:

                  *the board warped 1/4 of an inch (16in long, so it not a problem, just an imperfection).
                  *the finish came out great, but not glossy smooth. i waxed up the bottom of a big flat aluminum tray (to simulate aluminum autoclave) and put it on top of the fiber, with a heavy cooking stone on top of that to weight it down. the tops of the bumps for each weave are shiny, but they whole thing has a sort of texture to it. is there any type of gel-coat resin or finish i can put on to give it a "deep, smooth" finish on top?
                  *when sanding down the edge of the panel, i got stuck pretty hard by a fiber, and it hurt...lol

                  im going to liquid-nails the panels together (from the inside of course), as they are pieces of wood being bonded anyway. then im going to fiberglass the inside of the box for rigidity, cohesion, and to make it air tight. that 12x16 side piece is freaking strong though!

                  note: ill try the glass on top instead of the tray. cooking was done for 120min at 275*F.
                  2005 Mustang GT:
                  12w7...arc audio kar1000.2t...jl 300/4 pushng focal 165k2p...pioneer premier deh-880prs...tm-701l...audiocontrol eqs
                  want: my stereo actually IN the car

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                  • #10
                    you can get a flat surface from it.

                    You don't lay glass on the top, you use duraglass on the bottom for structural support, bondo the top to get the smooth surface, then lay your carbon fiber over that.
                    Jan Bennett
                    FS: VW MKIV Bezel for 8" Lilliput - 95% Finished

                    Please post on the forums! Chances are, someone else has or will have the same questions as you!

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                    • #11
                      Actually, the glass idea came from NASA for surface finish. they got tired of repolishing flat aluminum tooling because of nicks, etc.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Red GTi VR6
                        you can get a flat surface from it.

                        You don't lay glass on the top, you use duraglass on the bottom for structural support, bondo the top to get the smooth surface, then lay your carbon fiber over that.

                        I think he meant a piece of window glass to make it smooth. Not fiber glass. As for putting the glass on top, it will probably do the same thing as the Al. The epoxy in the carbon will flow down to the plywood. Unless you cook the stuff upside down. I don't think there's enough there to give it the clear glossy look you're looking for.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by stkdidy ntshidy
                          i scrapped the idea of doing a fiberglass buildup after realizing in a sample piece that i would never get a flat surface out of it.
                          I was basing my response on this comment. Thinking the OP was trying to get some shape out of the enclosure rather than just a flat sided enclosure.

                          As such, my response.
                          Jan Bennett
                          FS: VW MKIV Bezel for 8" Lilliput - 95% Finished

                          Please post on the forums! Chances are, someone else has or will have the same questions as you!

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                          • #14
                            i've got a number of pics of my progress so far, but my home internet (at work right now) doesn't work atm. i will get those pics up as soon as i can.
                            2005 Mustang GT:
                            12w7...arc audio kar1000.2t...jl 300/4 pushng focal 165k2p...pioneer premier deh-880prs...tm-701l...audiocontrol eqs
                            want: my stereo actually IN the car

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                            • #15
                              sweet!

                              can't wait to see them!
                              Jan Bennett
                              FS: VW MKIV Bezel for 8" Lilliput - 95% Finished

                              Please post on the forums! Chances are, someone else has or will have the same questions as you!

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