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    After a operating system reinstall my system started to go slow.
    Everything seems to be ok now and all is working well but I feel it slow!
    Ok, it was not a flash of lightning and I was already thinking to change it with a better one because of processor speed and the integrated graphic card that is really poor!

    Just to summarize, this is my actual system:
    MB Jetway Hybrid J7F2WE1G2E with
    integrated VIA C7 1.2GHz Fanless Processor,
    512MB RAM (64MB shared for video),
    80GB 2,5" SATA Western Digital HDD,
    M2-ATX Intelligent Car PC DC-DC Power Supply,
    ELM327 OBD2 interface,
    USB GPS receiver,
    silabs usb radio and
    CD/DVD slot-in slim recorder.

    The HDD contains a 60GB partition completely full of mp3 and a 20GB system/programs partition.

    I'm using Roadrunner as frontend with crystalblue skin.
    I was never able to run flash skins like freedom ultimate and I had to remove the flash spinning logo / timer from the crystalblue skin because of video/processor speed problems .
    I cannot run any game because of limited cpu/video resources and I never saw rrearth running decently; it works but in an unusable way!

    Apart from that, I can listen mp3 music, the radio (very poor reception if compared to the original HU with the same antenna), see videos and dvd (with a lot of adjustements to the quality settings..).
    I was never able to have a phone interface running properly because, I think, of my bluetooth interface that I buyed on ebay with poor or no confidence with bluetooth interfaces.

    After the new install, I have a lot of delays in RR also if only change from one page to another .
    When I press the button to leave RR I have to wait also 30 seconds before I can see the confirm exit page and when I go to playlist to choose another album to play, it takes forever!
    Ok, I simply have to do some adjustement on my system; I have something wrong but... I decided to change my system at all!!

    So, I need your help!
    I'd like to do the things I described above with no problems, running flash skins and animations, some game, have a quick and responsive interface also if I'll have a 250GB full of mp3, instead of 60GB!
    Just to give you an idea I'd like to play games like nfs most wanted or something like unreal tournament also with low resolution (640x480), I don't care; my home pc with integrated intel 945G runs these games smootly even if it isn't the best of quality!

    Obviously, I have powering problems because of a little car (P206 you can see in my avatar) and I'd like to listen music or watch movies for some hour when parked with engine off without drain my battery!
    So I need a powerful system but with no more power that I need

    I think I'll need a new dc/dc converter with more power and I was thinking on a core duo system but really... I don't know!
    I don't wanna repeat my previous error, buying something that doesn't match my needs!

    So, thinking more concretely, I'm looking for a mini-itx (for room problems) possibly fanless MB, a good and fast (but power friendly!) CPU with a proper dc/dc converter, a decent integrated video card, an integrated audio card with at least 4 audio channels and a lot of usb (6 at least, better if 8!).

    I need suggestion guys!!
    I think there's a wide variety of carpc here with different performances so please let me buy the right system!

    Many thanks in advance to all
    My new dash setup with 8.4" LCD!
    Secondary (roof) LCD display
    False floor with mobo, amp and all the electronics
    Power supply and HDD Suspension system detail

  • #2
    Take a look at the intel D201GLY2A board, it runs circles around the C7 processor. And best of all, it's very affordable $69-$75 and you don't have to go shopping for a cpu as it's integrated. To my surprise it was slightly faster than my AMD Athlon 2200XP+.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BlackStealth View Post
      Take a look at the intel D201GLY2A board, it runs circles around the C7 processor. And best of all, it's very affordable $69-$75 and you don't have to go shopping for a cpu as it's integrated. To my surprise it was slightly faster than my AMD Athlon 2200XP+.
      Thanks for your fast reply BlackStealth! I taked a look to this board this morning and find some benchmark too. I have a lot of doubts!

      The cpu is a lot better than my actual via c7 but it's a celeron, so my doubt: can this cpu run flash vector animations smoothly? Is there anyone that holds this card in his carpc and can confirm it have no problem at all with these kind of applications? I mean FU skin for RR and flash 9 applications.

      Moreover I noticed it have a fan and this is not the best for me because I have the mobo mounted behind the dash, and behind the lcd, with no enclosure at all; I don't like to hear the fan buzz when parked watching some movie!
      Searching the forums I find this 3d http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/mp3c...rt-photos.html
      that shows the identical model D201GLY2 but with no fan at all and this could be solve my buzz problem!

      [edit]
      I've just found this article: http://www.exoid.com/?page_id=158
      It says "There is no way to run this board without a fan due to the extreme temperatures, unless you make some modifications." and this seems to be a problem :-( Any confirmation from you guys on this side?
      [/edit]

      And what about the northbridge? I read the http://www.sis.com/products/sis662.htm but I was unable to find some kind of benchmark to understand the real ability of this graphic adapter expecially for 3d games as those I mentioned.

      On the audio side I saw this mobo have integrated stereo only but I'd like, expecially for movies and maybe games, at least 4 channel output. I don't know if there's some cheap external audio card that can override this limit... Any advice on that?
      My new dash setup with 8.4" LCD!
      Secondary (roof) LCD display
      False floor with mobo, amp and all the electronics
      Power supply and HDD Suspension system detail

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      • #4
        If you want a uber system, then go with a core duo processor. You can not go wrong with that, it is overkill for a CarPC and will definately be really fast.
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        • #5
          Don't let the celeron name hold you back, as it's faster than some older pentium processors. The weak spot in the celeron is FPU operations, but I don't do use any apps that require a fast FPU.

          Here's a short comparative list.

          Celeron 220 1.2Ghz 533bus (512kcache) 19 watts
          6172 MIPS
          1821 / 2687 MFLOPS

          AMD XP 2200+ 266bus (256kcache) 57/62.8 watts
          5702 MIPS
          2860 MFLOPS

          Intel Pentium M 745 1.8Ghz 400bus (2MBcache) 21 watts
          5842 MIPS
          4361 MFLOPS

          Intel Pentium 4 2.0Ghz 400bus (256kcache) 75.3 watts
          4362 MIPS
          3752 MFLOPS

          ================================================== =========

          As you already researched, the D201GLY2 board has no cpu fan. Someone hacked their motherboard by reducing the cpu voltage to reduce the heat even more. The hack involved using a pencil and drawing. The graphite from the pencil modified the overall resistance, which in turn modified the voltage. Of course if you made a mistake, or wanted to undo this hack, just use an eraser. Google this for more info.

          Generally if you want a faster processor, it'll produce more heat, and you'll definitely need a cpu fan. So what you're asking is impossible, faster computer and no cpu fan.

          I'm currently using DFX3.0 skin inside Road Runner, including iGuidance, etc. No problems with my flash clock and flash compass. Other CPU loads are Girder interpreting infrared steering wheel key presses, Fusion Control, and GatsoHunterRR. CPU load is approx 20% with all this running.

          If you find the onboard graphics not good enough for your games, you do have the option to install a PCI graphics card.

          I have a USB Soundblaster 24 bit external ($50 at bestbuy) that I used to use on my previous carpc setups, but for now I'm satisfied with the 2 channel onbard sound card. If 4 channel sound is a must, nothing stopping you from plugging one of those in.

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          • #6
            Thank you guys for the input.

            @HiJackZX1
            I was thinking for a dual core system but never investigated about the mini itx availability nor the needed power or produced heat.
            I have a big limit due to the little car's battery and don't want to modify the electric wirings on car or make things complicated. Someone suggest me to replace the battery with a bigger one (I also have the space to do it) but I'm not fully convinced that only this, with no other modifications (alternator?) can help!
            Moreover, I don't like to hear the buzz of a computer fan in my car so I prefer to have a fanless system... if possible
            Anyway, the next days I'll investigate more on these kind of systems for the application I need but the best would be having some feedback from a dual core in car system owner


            @BlackStealth
            I searched more on this motherboard and found some guy running quake 3 arena with a noticeable value of fps but... in software mode!!
            The cpu is really fast because it reported over [email protected] and about [email protected]!!

            Unfortunately the integrated video adapter is not so performant with 3d applications
            Anyway I cannot find any test on some more recent game like unreal tournament 2004 or some need for speed (underground, most wanted or carbon).
            I'm not a big gamer and I really have no time to play games but I use a lot my car and sometime I spend hours in there, parked in some strange place... Usually I have not enough time to watch a movie so, as I like the games I mentioned, I'd like to play these in my car
            It's quite a little to justify a dedicated graphic card and I have not enough room to mount any standard card on the motherboard!

            So you have this motherboard?
            The fan version or the fanless one?
            Never tried some 3d game on it?
            How much memory are your running and what frequency?

            On the soundcard side I'd prefer to have a 4 channel mainly for movies; I'd like to have full sound around me also with games but really I don't know if it is possible and supported by standard multichannel soundcards!
            I have a 7.1 integrated also in my home pc but never tried to connect nothing more than stereo because I don't like to have a mess with cables and speakers.
            In car it's simpler because I have all the speakers already in place, driven by a 4 channel kenwood KAC849 amplifier and a little bazooka that make me feel in a real theater when watching dvd movies
            I'd like to try a multichannel pci solution but only if I can find an extremely low profile card (because of limited space behind the dashboard). Suggestion on this (maker, model) are welcome

            Thank you for the CPU comparative list, it really cleared my mind on that cpu!
            My new dash setup with 8.4" LCD!
            Secondary (roof) LCD display
            False floor with mobo, amp and all the electronics
            Power supply and HDD Suspension system detail

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            • #7
              Originally posted by l1nk View Post
              After a operating system reinstall my system started to go slow.
              ...
              The HDD contains a 60GB partition completely full of mp3 and a 20GB system/programs partition.
              ...
              I need suggestion guys!!
              I think there's a wide variety of carpc here with different performances so please let me buy the right system!

              Many thanks in advance to all
              A nearly full hard drive will cause a windows pc to slow down unbearably. Try making some space on both of your partitions, or upgrade to a bigger drive.
              ~Jimmy

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              • #8
                There are some Core 2 Duo Mini-ITX motherboards that will draw less than 40 watts (CPU, RAM, MB, laptop HD). The mobile 45nm CPUs (like the T7500) are very economical when it comes to power consumption (30 watts at full load).

                You will probably want at least one small, quiet fan for all but the most wimpy CPUs...

                But these are all more expensive parts, of course. You didn't mention a price cap.

                If you want good integrated graphics, look for Intel 965 or Q35 chipsets in mini-itx form (or smaller). They both have the GMA X3100 which is about as good as it gets for mobile motherboards unless you add a graphics card. Second best would be the GMA X3000 which comes on the 945 chipset.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JimmyFitz View Post
                  A nearly full hard drive will cause a windows pc to slow down unbearably. Try making some space on both of your partitions, or upgrade to a bigger drive.
                  Thanks for your suggestion, I'll try to free some space the next days... waiting for the new system
                  My new dash setup with 8.4" LCD!
                  Secondary (roof) LCD display
                  False floor with mobo, amp and all the electronics
                  Power supply and HDD Suspension system detail

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by galvitron View Post
                    There are some Core 2 Duo Mini-ITX motherboards that will draw less than 40 watts (CPU, RAM, MB, laptop HD). The mobile 45nm CPUs (like the T7500) are very economical when it comes to power consumption (30 watts at full load).

                    You will probably want at least one small, quiet fan for all but the most wimpy CPUs...

                    But these are all more expensive parts, of course. You didn't mention a price cap.

                    If you want good integrated graphics, look for Intel 965 or Q35 chipsets in mini-itx form (or smaller). They both have the GMA X3100 which is about as good as it gets for mobile motherboards unless you add a graphics card. Second best would be the GMA X3000 which comes on the 945 chipset.
                    Thanks for your post galvitron.
                    I didn't mention a price cap because I don't want to buy a system that yes, it's cheap but don't fit my needs!

                    I don't want to spend a lot of money for my new project but this isn't the first and more important thing

                    I was now looking at this thread
                    http://www.mp3car.com/wiki/index.php...Celeron_boards
                    considering a solution based on pentium M that seems to be a powerful and energy saving CPU.
                    I saw this motherboard "AOpen i915GMt" but cannot find power consumption reference for this mobo nor graphic performances benchmark.

                    As usual, the best would be having some feedback from a motherboard owner!
                    For the moment I'll continue my search on it and on your advices for dual core systems
                    My new dash setup with 8.4" LCD!
                    Secondary (roof) LCD display
                    False floor with mobo, amp and all the electronics
                    Power supply and HDD Suspension system detail

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by l1nk View Post
                      So you have this motherboard?
                      The fan version or the fanless one?
                      Never tried some 3d game on it?
                      How much memory are your running and what frequency?
                      Yes.
                      Fan version (with the engine turned off fan noise is almost non-existant as it's mounted in my hatchback). It makes about the same noise as notebook, which is good.
                      I don't play games on my carpc, so can't help you there.
                      512MB RAM @533Mhz, Celeron 220 runs at 1.2 Ghz.

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                      • #12
                        I should mention that there is a vast difference in the 3D performance of the Intel onboard graphics between the previous generation and the current. You mentioned that you can play your game decently on a 945 motherboard at home. To get similar performance you will need nothing lower than the X3000 onboard graphics. The X3100 is preferable and there is even a newer one with the Q35 mini-itx. The X3100 has shaders while the X3000 does not. Both have Directx9 support. Older MBs (like the 915) probably won't have directx support and even if they do, will suffer horribly when trying to do any 3D stuff. They were made for 2D.
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                        Planning:
                        [----------] 100%
                        Purchasing:
                        [----------] 90%
                        Installation/Fab/Assembly (Revised v2):
                        [----------] 90%

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by l1nk View Post
                          Thank you guys for the input.

                          @HiJackZX1
                          I was thinking for a dual core system but never investigated about the mini itx availability nor the needed power or produced heat.
                          I have a big limit due to the little car's battery and don't want to modify the electric wirings on car or make things complicated. Someone suggest me to replace the battery with a bigger one (I also have the space to do it) but I'm not fully convinced that only this, with no other modifications (alternator?) can help!
                          Moreover, I don't like to hear the buzz of a computer fan in my car so I prefer to have a fanless system... if possible
                          Anyway, the next days I'll investigate more on these kind of systems for the application I need but the best would be having some feedback from a dual core in car system owner


                          @BlackStealth
                          I searched more on this motherboard and found some guy running quake 3 arena with a noticeable value of fps but... in software mode!!
                          The cpu is really fast because it reported over [email protected] and about [email protected]!!

                          Unfortunately the integrated video adapter is not so performant with 3d applications
                          Anyway I cannot find any test on some more recent game like unreal tournament 2004 or some need for speed (underground, most wanted or carbon).
                          I'm not a big gamer and I really have no time to play games but I use a lot my car and sometime I spend hours in there, parked in some strange place... Usually I have not enough time to watch a movie so, as I like the games I mentioned, I'd like to play these in my car
                          It's quite a little to justify a dedicated graphic card and I have not enough room to mount any standard card on the motherboard!

                          So you have this motherboard?
                          The fan version or the fanless one?
                          Never tried some 3d game on it?
                          How much memory are your running and what frequency?

                          On the soundcard side I'd prefer to have a 4 channel mainly for movies; I'd like to have full sound around me also with games but really I don't know if it is possible and supported by standard multichannel soundcards!
                          I have a 7.1 integrated also in my home pc but never tried to connect nothing more than stereo because I don't like to have a mess with cables and speakers.
                          In car it's simpler because I have all the speakers already in place, driven by a 4 channel kenwood KAC849 amplifier and a little bazooka that make me feel in a real theater when watching dvd movies
                          I'd like to try a multichannel pci solution but only if I can find an extremely low profile card (because of limited space behind the dashboard). Suggestion on this (maker, model) are welcome

                          Thank you for the CPU comparative list, it really cleared my mind on that cpu!
                          It depends on setup. I will admit that my setup is complicated, but thats because I have so many gadgets, I make inspector gadgets car look like a piece of [email protected] All you need is a 4 gauge wire running from the battery (which you would have to do with any car pc setup). Cooling is a problem, or was for me. I simply added a small fan to the GPU and one large silent fan on one side of the case. It is hardly noticable. If you want good sound and you want to keep the PC low profile then get a USB card. I love the way mine sound. I recently got rid of the dreaded start up pop with a software that powers up my amp, so thats not an issue. I am using a AMD Turion dual core 64 bit 1.8ghz processor. The MoBo is a KINO-690S1 and it uses laptop Sodimm RAM so you have more room. It has a supper graphics card, very impressive... handles 3D like its nothing. It has a VGA port and a DVI-D port. Both can be used for extended windows with no noticeable slow down. Only issue is that the DVI-D port is 100% Digital and requires a $115.00 dollar converter (no the cheap $1.00 ones do not work).

                          In the end it all depends on your love for the hobby and sometimes money. With me it took both. My budget was $1,400.00 and it is now been blown to 3,997.00.
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                          4X MK808b
                          3x Perixx Touchpads
                          3x 7 inch Screens
                          1X 7 inch motorized Screen
                          1x Win 7 PC

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                          • #14
                            Ok guys. After a long time searching, reading and thinking I finally decided something about my future system. I'd like to share with you some of my thought and informations that I've found.

                            I've done a lot of research and, as you already noticed, I can't have power without heat and so without proper cooler with fan! I have to deal with it and I think I'll use a big fan (8, maybe 12 centimeters) at a low speed to reduce the noise.

                            So, I decided for a medium power system, not dual core, nor celeron. I buyed a pentium M [email protected],73GHZ with 533MHz FSB and 2M level2 cache. I think it's a good and powerful cpu and also have a nice wattage.

                            You can see some test for pentium-M (dothan and banias) cpu's on this link:
                            http://www.hwupgrade.it/articoli/cpu...et-478_11.html

                            Dothan and Banias consume about the same power but on the link above you'll see higher values than normal because of choosen motherboard / other hardware.

                            You can see some more affordable value on this list (banias only):
                            http://www.cpuscorecard.com/cpuprices/ipm.htm

                            It reports about 25Watt.

                            Now I have a big problem: to found a mini-itx motherboard with pentium M support for the CPU I buyed, with a intel 915 chipset and at least six channels audio.
                            I already have found something good but unfortunately nothing in europe; ordering hardware from USA means that I have to wait a lot and I have to pay custom fees and I have a lot of problems if I would need assistance!
                            I'm still searching but maybe you can help me for this.

                            In the meantime I buyed a new 2,5" 320GB SATA HDD on ebay for about 100 euros, shipping included. I think it's a good price, so if anyone is interested, this is the seller:
                            http://myworld.ebay.it/benni-co

                            Many thanks for your help!
                            My new dash setup with 8.4" LCD!
                            Secondary (roof) LCD display
                            False floor with mobo, amp and all the electronics
                            Power supply and HDD Suspension system detail

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                            • #15
                              Have you looked at the new intel Atom processor (2W - 11W), as you probably won't need a fan.

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