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    So now that Ive started atually using my EPIA M 9000 in my car, i decided to check out what else was out ther now, and noticed that VIA now has the EPIA M 10000 coming out, which is 1ghz with the new C3 core thats reputed to be 20% faster in office applications and 73% faster in 3D graphics applications. Also, visiting idot, it looks like FIC has their version of the M 9000 out, with two DIMMs, but im not sure what else is different about it, as I cant find anything about it on any of FIC's sites.

    Also, how many industry standards does VIA ignore with the EPIA? IE doesn't work with some datalux's properly, 5vdc to the usb ports when the machine is off, etc.
    -Nick

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    Hey MP3DUB, Im in about the same situation.. looking for a good mobo..

    Im going with the EPIA M 9000.... I think.... So i would really like to hear how yours is working for you? any lags? what are you running on there?

    - The EPIA 10000 may be 20%-70% faster... but its also a chunk more expensive... and for me atleast, Im thinking that the epia m 9000 fills all my current needs, and if I was really going for a graphics setup, micro-atx would really be the way to go.. a board even twice as fast as the epia m 9000 is significantly slower then an average desktop system.. If I were in your position, I would put a little $ into a faster hd or more ram, or a add on video card.. if the performance gain you want is give or take a few sec on stuff your mobo is already able to do. For real performance gains, it seems like micro-atx is the way to go though

    - there is a lot of support for the epia m 9000 on these boards Im trying to avoid being an "early adopter", the M 1000 may be great though.

    - The Fic version is a 933mhz, but it does not have any mpg support... so if one isnt playing movies it should be fine.. if one is.. it may run into trouble. It seems like a step down from the via m 9000

    What im thinking is a good setup is a epia 9000 a chunk of ram, and a nice fast hard drive, 72000rpm to make boot, and program opening snappy. I wont be running anything 3d or really all that cpu intensive...

    How is your current board working? I mean what does it leave to be desired?
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    • #3
      Its a little pokey booting up, but I think thats more related to the fact that I'm running XP, and my boot drive is a 4000RPM 3GB IBM Travelstar 2.5" harddrive. Otherwise, all is well (altho the fact that the post beeps come through the onboard sound is a bit annoying, I though I saw something about a newer bios disabling this tho, but havent looked into it yet (doesnt bother me that much ).

      And it wasn't that I was wanting to upgrade (well, technically, i always want newer stuff) as the 9000 has served me well so far, i was just bringing up the new options. And isnt DVD decoding part of the CLE266 chipset? or is it enabled by another external chip? Ah, the FIC isnt CLE266 based, its PLE133, that explains the price, and the lack of hardware dvd decoding. I made the assumption that as it used the 933 cpu that it was the "FIC M 9000" (and we all know what they say about assumptions ).
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      • #4
        Hey, Im kind of thinking the bottleneck in that system may be the hard drive. I know that laptop hard drives are much more able to withstand bumps, but I have heard of people using desktop hard drives in their cars... and a 7200rpm drive would make things much faster.

        What about a small 7200rpm drive just big enough for the OS and installed programs, and all the other mp3's etc were on the laptop?

        Yeah, the fic board is deffinitly better then say the epia 5000, but I think the via M9000 is the way to go if one is buying new. if one is using an onboard video chip, having onboard mpg is very nice.
        1995 SL stock
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        • #5
          I have had a Desktop IDE drive (7200) in my truck for at least 2 years, trouble free.... this is one of those debates that people feel strongly about. My experiance tels me they last.
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          • #6
            I had a 60G 5400 RPM WD in my V2 carpc for over a year, and only recently started to get some bad sectors (yay for chicago roads). The 2.5" laptop hd was more for the size than for the fact that it was a laptop hd. And I'm exploring my options as to more secondary storage, as 1gb of music doesnt cut it.

            The board the system is mounted to is the extent of the largest uniterupted space under the floor of my trunk. As it is, the PSU is to the edge of the board, the HDD nearly touches the PSU, and the Mobo nearly touches the HDD, with .25" to spare on the other side.

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            • #7
              Im pretty sure the Epia V 10000 doesnt have the onboard dvd-decoding, as it has the PLE266 chipset, not the CLE266 which the Epia M uses.
              Project AutoBoxen: Coming along, almost ready to hook up in the car.
              Celeron 500, 192mb ram, 8gb hdd, other stuff.
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              • #8
                How well does the Epia 800 compare to either?

                Whoojong

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                • #9
                  just check next post...

                  just read next post pls...

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                  • #10
                    was spr812 about 2 yrs ago but reregstered as chorattil.

                    I've got about $1500 to burn, just got a 250 Gb HD, a cheapo in dash 7" LCD, JBL 1200.1 going to 12(yes 12) Kenwood 12" KFC-2503s. Anyway that's 1400RMS at 1.33ohms and 1400 sq. inches of cone area. For $400(12 subs) plus $250(amp) nothing can touch it. Anyway, I digress ...

                    Anyone know the pros/cons between the Shuttle XPCs

                    http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2...2/index.x?pg=2

                    and the EPIAs?

                    Now as I understand it the Shuttle SN41G2 has over the EPIA:
                    -NVIDA chip so you can customize display size for small lcds
                    -Dual Display & GeForce Graphics
                    -faster
                    -Power Supply
                    -AGP slot
                    -Case

                    However EPIAs advantages are:
                    -processor included
                    -price
                    -2 HDs support (I think, double check that Shuttle has only one... it says 2-channel ATA133??)

                    What else am I missing? Especially differences in wake-on-LAN/hibernate-support/TV/Audio out which I assume would be important.


                    Actually this has gotten so long I might turn it into it's own post!

                    Thanks,

                    George

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                    • #11
                      one of the biggest is power consumption. It'll be hard to find an in car dc-dc psu that will support that wattage with the athlon chip.

                      Whoojong

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                      • #12
                        I believe that the EPIA is slightly smaller than the Shuttle systems, it uses a LOT less power with its integrated C3 processor, and it will run a lot cooler. That being said, the Shuttle drips raw power when it comes to your choice of cpu's (axp, p4), and it has an agp slot and a pci slot so if you wanted to use it outside of your car for a lanbox, it would be so much faster than the epia it wouldnt be funny. both have two ide channels (2 devices per channel, 4 devices total). Also the shuttle isnt that much more expensive than an epia when you consider that you're getting a alu. case and a psu with the shuttle, but the initial outlay would be greater for the shuttle, especially if you dont plan to use the case.
                        -Nick

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Charliey
                          Im pretty sure the Epia V 10000 doesnt have the onboard dvd-decoding, as it has the PLE266 chipset, not the CLE266 which the Epia M uses.
                          true, but it still has two YUV->RGB converters on the chip (which is, by far, the most processor-intensive function in DVD decoding)
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by whoojong
                            How well does the Epia 800 compare to either?

                            Whoojong
                            The 800 works well enough here. I have nav/ogg playing under X windows and the processor is under 40% (Linux-from-scratch install)
                            on the DVD front, mplayer works nicely too. (no slowdowns or anything). The only trick was to tell the kernel to use DMA with the DVD player (otherwise, it was slow as hell )
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