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    Hi, This is my first post but I have been reading on the forums for quite some time now. I am about to order the parts to build an in-dash car PC and I want to make sure that I am not forgetting anything important while I place the order. This is going in a 2003 Ford Escape in case it matters. Here is what I have so far.

    From the mp3car store:

    MJS-SC-C1 USB Interface for Sirius Satalite Radio (Mjs-scc1) $61.99 (I already have a sirius tuner)
    Lilliput 629GL-70NP 7" VGA Touchscreen w/ Auto Back-up Camera Switch $229.99
    Centrafuse Auto Navigation Edition for North America $124.99
    HQCT 1.0 (High Quality Car Tuner) FM Radio $159.00
    M3-ATX 125 Watt - Smart Automotive Power Supply $67.99
    Black Double Din Nano-ITX Carputer Enclosure $54.95
    I am still undecided on an optical drive
    what do i need to get the GPS to work?
    I will buy the hard drive and ram locally


    I see that the recommended motherboard is the Via Epia NX15000G however the VIA EPIA N700 supports 2gb of ram instead of 1gb. Woudl there be any issues in using that board instead or is the NX1500G recommended for a reason?

    Also, which OBD2 scanner should I use (are the more expensive ones really worth it?) I see that the mp3car store has a few of them.

    That's it for now, I'm sure I'll think of some other questions later on.

    Thanks
    dp19

  • #2
    Originally posted by dp19 View Post
    what do i need to get the GPS to work?
    A GPS antenna/receiver.
    Most will recommend the Globalsat BU-353. It's inexpensive and reliable.
    Have you looked in the FAQ yet?
    How about the Wiki?



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    • #3
      Originally posted by dp19 View Post
      Also, which OBD2 scanner should I use (are the more expensive ones really worth it?) I see that the mp3car store has a few of them.
      You need to find out which OBDII protocol your 2003 Ford Escape uses and then choose from the scanners which support that protocol.
      The main differences in scanner costs relate to the functionality of the software and the particular computer interface (serial or USB) the scanner uses.
      VIA Pico ITX, M2-ATX clone, 7" Seform 800x480 LCD Touchscreen, Dual 2x75WRMS Mini Amps, IDE-CF & SATA-CF adapters, 8GB (Sys) & 32GB (MP3s) CF, ELMscan5USB, Slot-load DVD, Craig Brass DAB+/FM USB module, Odyssey Navigator
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      • #4
        Cool, thanks for the advice so far.

        Does anyone know the advantage of the Via Epia NX15000G over the VIA EPIA N700 ? Are there any other nano-ITX boards that are more powerful without having a ridiculous price?

        Thanks
        dp19

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        • #5
          The main advantage of using the Via NX15000G is that the ports are flexible and can be located inside the double din enclosure. By using a different mainboard, you will have to modify the enclosure and also the connection of the vga cable will be external producing a larger box that may not fit inside the dash.

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          • #6
            The NX15000G will provide more ports for USB, and if you are wanting to hook up Sirius, GPS, IPOD, and other devices you will need it. additionally the Touch screen will take up a USB jumper header on the MOBO limiting the amount of physical connections you can port to the outside of the case.

            If you are buying the BlackBox from Bybyte I highly recommend you order the touchscreen, enclosure , the 45 watt amp and definatly order the external touchscreen controller. Lilliput and Via do not play well together at all. it took me 4 months and a lot of money to confirm this. the external controller eliminate compatibility issues with the liliput and the NX15000G. if you order all of these from Bybyte the will do the installation of the touchscreen and amp. also ask when you order if they can connect the external touchscreen controller.

            as for the NX15000, i would recommend going with the NX12000EG instead. its fanless and requires less power. if you have everything mounted in the bybyte case its going to get extreamly crowded and the 15000 may get too hot or you will run into a problem with cables touching the fan casing it to stop running. unless you plan on playing graphic intensive video games while driving or running 8 different programs at the same time the difference in processor speed will not matter much.

            The last thing, plan on using XP if you go with the NX series. Window 7 and Vista are not supported.

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            • #7
              Thanks for the info, however the project is nearly completed now but it would have been nice to know about the compatibility issues before. However the NX15000 has many more problems than that. I sent the first one back to VIA because I could not install windows in it using a regular computer monitor (no touchscreen). The replacement I got back had the same problem (so I sent it out for nothing) and the only way I got windows to install was by disabling the USB ports completely in the CMOS and everything else not needed to boot and set the ram speed to 200MHz (although I think the main problem is with the USB controller). The ram speed is back at 533MHz. Now it will only run stable if i set the USB to 1.1 and disable all usb support outside of windows (legacy kb/mouse, boot on usb, etc). The USB issues are there whether there are devices plugged in the ports or not. As far as the ram goes, it will only take 1GB sticks that have 16 chips on them, the 8 chip will only see half of the memory (board limitation). It will only boot windows if a PS/2 mouse is plugged in, I had to take a mouse apart and stuff it in the bybyte case to get it working reliably. Now it seems to work fine except I have to unplug the touchscreen to enter the CMOS otherwise it will hang when i press DEL to enter the cmos.

              For now it seems to be working but if I ever build another car PC it won't be with the NX15000. In fact I built one a few years ago with a Via EPIA M9000 Mini-ITX board and that board was quite problematic as well but not as bad as the NX15000.

              I just thought I'd share my experience since you mentionned you spent a lot of time troubleshooting as well.

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              • #8
                Hi DP19, just came across your post. I also have a Ford Escape and wanted to know if you had any problems installing the touchscreen and black-box into the double din slot? Is there anything you could recommend? I am also curious to know if it looks good too or if there are any gaps or spaces that make the installation look unprofessional?

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                • #9
                  The Bybyte is NOT a direct fit in my 2003 escape. The box is taller and less wide than the factory deck. I had to cut into the dash sub-frame to get the box to slide in the dash. The front face of the box sits behind the Escape dash bezel (it doesn't pass through the hole). I removed the bezel and cut some plastic off the top and bottom of the dash inside. I believe that the modifications will not affect anything when I install the factory deck again to sell the vehicle however I did not try to see if it would fit snug (the bezel is unmodified). I had to add small pieces of plastic on each side of the box to fill the gap. I will try to take a picture later on today.

                  Also if you are planning to use the VIA NX15000G, read my post above. The board has many issues. If I ever build another car PC it won't be with that board.

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                  • #10
                    how would someone go about hooking up the car speakers to the computer? once the computer was installed

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kdogg53 View Post
                      how would someone go about hooking up the car speakers to the computer? once the computer was installed
                      when in doubt, check the FAQ's:
                      http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/advf...iew&advfaqid=7
                      My OLD 2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT:
                      "The Project That Never Ended, until it did"


                      next project? subaru brz
                      carpc undecided

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by newpctech
                        Crutchfeild has kits for this...maybe.
                        not really. they have the parts to do it, but from what i have heard, not much know how
                        (there is a thread in the car audio section on what one of their advisor's thinks of carputers)

                        Originally posted by newpctech
                        I am wondering about the touchscreen....I am putting this in a BMW 530i. I dont know if the Sun is going to be an issue viewing but I want some good feedback on what I should look at from people actually using something
                        you know this has been covered in depth

                        if you get a optically bonded transflective, you are covered-- there are really 2 different transflectives-- the other option being just transflective-- this one will not have the touch screen layer bonded to the the lcd-- which is where some of the reflection comes from..

                        i use a 669gl-led in my convertible, and with the top up, i don't have too many problems until the sun is at very specific angles-- which doesn't happen all the time..

                        with the top down, it is impossible to read without putting my hand over it to see what it says-- but is was much cheaper then a transflective screen..
                        My OLD 2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT:
                        "The Project That Never Ended, until it did"


                        next project? subaru brz
                        carpc undecided

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