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    2002 Honda CIVIC EX (Coupe) | Live in FL, so hopefully I won't have a heat issue.

    Well hopefully it is about time for me to get my first carpc finally. On a budget though, so I'm gonna have to get some of the extra things over-time.

    Currently have:
    FE: Roadrunner w/DFX 5.0.3 skin
    OS: Windows 7 32/64bit
    GPS: BU-353
    OBII: OBDLink Bluetooth
    Bluetooth: random USB dongle I had laying around
    Radio: Directed HD

    What I'm looking at getting:
    Hardware:
    Screen: Lilliput 669GL-70NP/C/T-HB-RV 7" and buy a double din for it.
    PSU: M4-ATX 250W
    Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-880GMA-UD2H
    CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 240e 2.8GHz
    Ram: G.SKILL ECO Series DDR3 1333 (2 x 2GB)

    Cables & Hub:
    HDMI: Nippon Labs 15 ft.
    USB 3.0: Nippon Labs 15 ft
    Hub: USB 3.0 (compatible w/ 1.0-3.0)

    Sound:
    AMP: Kicker 10zx350.4

    I took a guess at the 15ft cable and will do some measuring before I order. The carpc will be located in the trunk w/amp. The amp I'm pretty sure won't have a problem powering 4 speakers inside the car.

    I am a little worried if the PSU can power the computer without any issues because I decided against the atom and even a mini-itx bored. I will be using a normal 2.5 laptop hard drive until I can afford a SSD drive. I will also be using onboard audio unless I have issues with it. I'm also planning on down the line adding a second monitor dedicated just for navigation that will be hidden and come out of dash when navigation is being used (but that is later down the line). Yes I will be getting fusion brain v6 at some point (that is gonna be pretty fun). front aux/usb, space navigator, and all that stuff will come at a later date as well.

    Anyways please read over what I listed and let me know if anything can be improved, forgot something, or something might not work correctly. I'm new to carpc, but have computer experience.

    Thanks!
    2002 Honda Civic Ex --Worklog

  • #2
    You should have no problems with the M4 providing enough power for that system.
    The CPU is an excellent choice. Those 45w Athlon IIs are nice CPUs.

    And for compatibility reasons, I'd go 32-bit for the OS.
    Have you looked in the FAQ yet?
    How about the Wiki?



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    • #3
      The atom just seems to weak to me for future additions and if the CPU is to powerful I can always underclock it a little. I'll go with the 32bit for compatibility as you said (plus wouldn't really benefit with 64bit).
      2002 Honda Civic Ex --Worklog

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      • #4
        What would be the cheapest way to get power to this hub? The plug says its output is 5v and 4.0Amax. I'm gonna get the m4-atx, but the computer will be in trunk and hub in center console.


        edit: what about this? I don't know if there is anything cheaper, but I plan on using a dvd rom as well.
        2002 Honda Civic Ex --Worklog

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        • #5
          The 4Amps max seems a bit high as each USB port can only use 500mA or a total of 2Amps. (unless USB 3.0 has changed the specs).

          I would guess that PSU would be more than capable for a DVD drive and assorted other gadgets.

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          • #6
            Not sure the exact specs, but I know its carrying more power. I would be using it for usb 2.0 things anyways, so I wouldn't get that high. Still wondering if there are any point of loads as good or better for a better price.

            The Lilliput 669 comes with a HDMI to HDMI-USB cable. Would I really have to run there cable to plug the usb to the usb hub that would be located right next to it and then run an extension HDMI cable? Why wouldn't they make the usb separate, so I could just run one hdmi cable from the monitor to the computer in the trunk and then one usb cable for the monitor to the usb hub right behind it? Anyways is there is a better solution then running there hdmi-usb cable and an extention hdmi cable?
            2002 Honda Civic Ex --Worklog

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            • #7
              after some research. yes, you could plug the usb directly into the hub right near it, and you would need to run the hdmi all the way back to the pc.

              though i recommend running both video (weather it be vga, dvi, or hdmi), and usb all the way back to the pc to eliminate issues with control if the hub ceases functioning for one reason or another..
              My OLD 2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT:
              "The Project That Never Ended, until it did"


              next project? subaru brz
              carpc undecided

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              • #8
                I just hate extension cables, but I guess it really doesn't matter to much.
                2002 Honda Civic Ex --Worklog

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                • #9
                  so why is it that the atom isn't powerful enough for you?
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                  • #10
                    This is going to be phase 1 and I don't want to have to upgrade my cpu and motherboard later down the line. The first phase an atom would be able to power, but then second phase (not planned out yet) will consist of one or two cameras, two monitors, fusion brain, extra aux, and what else I decide to add.

                    I think the atom later on in my build will start getting bogged down pretty easy. I won't have a head unit, so the computer will have to run everything. I will be running windows which takes more to run then linux (I like linux and have a linux server, but for at least my first build I want to run windows). Since sound and video are onboard the cpu has to do all the work. mini-atx boards have more room for growth. Those are some of my unorganized thoughts. I am mostly focusing on right now, but still always think about the future as well.

                    Wifi
                    Bluetooth
                    phone
                    gps
                    obd II
                    two monitors
                    sound system
                    aux
                    hd radio
                    fusion brain
                    dvd rw
                    cameras
                    might steal HiJackZX1 mirror idea (way later though)
                    and so on

                    This is just explaining why I don't think an atom would be the best decision and I'm not even in the planning stage for some of these things because they require more money then I currently have.
                    2002 Honda Civic Ex --Worklog

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                    • #11
                      I'm a newbie as well, but love forums.

                      You are using a USB hub right? Don't those get external power? That would eliminate power draw off of the pc, right?

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                      • #12
                        I believe your correct because a usb has data and power cables. It has one power and one ground cable and then data cables, so you could use a powered hub and I believe it would power all the devices instead of your computer or you could tap into the 5v wire to the cable. i don't know if you would have to tap into the ground wire and reground it.

                        anyways...
                        http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question361.htm
                        "If you have lots of unpowered devices like mice and cameras, you probably need a powered hub. The hub has its own transformer, and it supplies power to the devices that connect to the hub so the devices do not overload the computer's power supply."
                        2002 Honda Civic Ex --Worklog

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jamanred View Post
                          Don't those get external power? That would eliminate power draw off of the pc, right?
                          there are 2 types of external hubs-- powered, and non-powered. non-powered hubs get their power from the pc's usb port, and are really only used when you need more ports for low power devices(gps, bluetooth, flashdrives, etc.)

                          powered hubs get their power from elsewhere-- in a house, this can be from a different outlet. but in the car, a hub that uses 5 volts requires a 5 volt power supply-- many times it means using the dc-dc psu that is powering the car-pc, so this is still using power off the pc, but is bypassing all the pc hardware for the power, so can be a little more efficient for power hungry devices..

                          but, if you use a external power supply(like a point of load power supply), then it is taking the power draw off the pc..
                          My OLD 2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT:
                          "The Project That Never Ended, until it did"


                          next project? subaru brz
                          carpc undecided

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cla1067 View Post
                            This is going to be phase 1 and I don't want to have to upgrade my cpu and motherboard later down the line. The first phase an atom would be able to power, but then second phase (not planned out yet) will consist of one or two cameras, two monitors, fusion brain, extra aux, and what else I decide to add.

                            I think the atom later on in my build will start getting bogged down pretty easy. I won't have a head unit, so the computer will have to run everything. I will be running windows which takes more to run then linux (I like linux and have a linux server, but for at least my first build I want to run windows). Since sound and video are onboard the cpu has to do all the work. mini-atx boards have more room for growth. Those are some of my unorganized thoughts. I am mostly focusing on right now, but still always think about the future as well.

                            Wifi
                            Bluetooth
                            phone
                            gps
                            obd II
                            two monitors
                            sound system
                            aux
                            hd radio
                            fusion brain
                            dvd rw
                            cameras
                            might steal HiJackZX1 mirror idea (way later though)
                            and so on

                            This is just explaining why I don't think an atom would be the best decision and I'm not even in the planning stage for some of these things because they require more money then I currently have.
                            I see one item on that list that would use the PCI/PCIe slot (video for multiple outputs). Everything else is USB no? Video shouldn't be a concern because the atom has hardware acceleration for most things. Audio is the same.

                            Not trying to be negative, just trying to understand. I hate to see people spend more money than they need to.

                            There's no such thing as future-proofing a computer. It's like trying to surf on a wave that's five miles offshore. By the time you want to get on it, who knows if it'll be in any way useful or not...
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