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    Okay, first idea has already been done, in the new cadilacs i think. Front lights that turn when the streering wheel does. I really like this idea, and was thinking about doing something like this for years, but couldnt think of a way to do it that would be 100% reliable, or in the case something did go wrong, could somehow revert to a fail safe default position. Im Still not sure how the pc could 'sense' the turning of the car, but if someone could possibly do this, it could really improve the visability of driving on whindy roads, and would just be overall safer then not having this feature.

    Second, Finger scanning security. Now i know a lot of people have said that it wouldnt be worth while, but i think it would, and could be if they just thought about implimenting it in different ways. Like, instead of using a full computer to do it, you could get a very very small computer, thats only task was to scan your prints and verify your id. This could work, because the computer wouldnt need to take as much power as a full pc, or even mini-itx pc, and could stay on all the time without killing the battery. ( okay, i dont mean all the time as in, weeks at a time, but certainly days) Plus it would be very inexpensive. The gumstick looks like a good option for this ( lower part of the page @ http://www.mini-itx.com )

    Third, which kinda adds/replaces the whole security thing. Other ways of I.D.ing the owner of the car is actually him/her. Well, if you didnt want to implement something like a finger scanning system (i would think it would be kind of hard to code something like that) you could use different means of I.D.ing yourself. Like say, by weight or height. I would think the wieght would be the easiest to code, put some sort of wieght measuring device inside the seat, under the cussion (so no one could feel it underneath them) and preprogram a set of parameters that would be close to your wieght. Im not sure what the correct term is, but i would make some sort of soft set of instructions. Something that would know exactly how much you weigh, then it would allow 2lb's above or below that actual wiegh, just incase you have heavy things in your pockets or whatnot. Also, it would wiegh you each time dynamically learn how much you wiegh, so overtime if dont rapidly gain or lose weight, it would start your car without being reprogramed.

    Fourth is for all those people that ride your *** when youre on the road. I was thinking about installing a--think its called hyper sonic speaker, behind my license plate. It would be hooked up to a microphone in my car somewhere, and at the press of a button it would flip up the plate revealing a speaker in which you could talk to the person behind you. This way other people couldnt hear you yelling, or speaking nicely, to the person behind you. Also, it wouldnt be dangerous as brake checking them, and it would get your point accross a lot clearer then that.

    Fifth is just for cosmetics, and im actually gonna do this one when my pc is built and installed in my car. I was thinking of having two displays, a cheap touchscreen monitor that would replace my deck and would be used to control everything except the GPS. Then i would have a hidden monitor on molded into the dash itself. I was thinking of cutting a piece out in the middle of the dash. I would then have that as the cover/back of the second monitor that i would used for GPS and gaming or whatnot. This monitor would flip 360...or acutally more like 180 or 200 revealing the monitor to the people in the car, but wouldnt be visible when it was in its default position. I saw something like this done on ' pimp my ride' but it was on the arm rest, and it was for a phone holder. They did it with air pumps that would make a peice of the armrest spin revealing a phone holder.

    So yeah, there are my ideas, i have a few more, but this post is already becoming too long, if anyone thinks they are good please post, or even if you think they are stupid, give me some feed back on if they could be done.

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    here is my input
    1: no, for some reason it just does not feel right. To hard and when I tend to change lanes im not making a drastic turn. Even sittin at a light id feel more confy about the police if i were to turn on my signals while stoped or befor i turn. EDIT: oh head lights duh.

    2: maybe... have to be low power id think and would still have to have a key. good idea but id rather go with key.

    3: maybe would be cool to hear my car say good morning before i insert key.

    4: yes if you can direct it to just them. i have a buddy who uses his cb in his truck. through fm or something i have no idea. just cranks it up i suppose.

    5:if you are modding your car then yes this is great keep it up. make it look pretty.
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    • #3
      wieghts... thumbs.... PFFFTTTT
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      • #4
        Ok, keep smoking and you'll be fine... ;-)

        1) Trust an American company to come up with this idea (cadilac). Americans generally don't use their signals (indicators), and when they do it's as they are making the turn. The idea is to signal to people that you want ot make a turn not that you are turning. Most drivers would be aware that you are turning if you've already turned the stearing wheel.... ok, that's my rant and rave about american drivers so I suspect I'll get shot down now for it ;-)

        2) Can't remember what it was now...

        Re: Finger print reader... There are some out there that plug into the USB port. The reliability is ok, but I would not trust my car upon it. A lot of European cars have Engine Imobilisors. Such an idea maybe more feasable for this!

        Re: Rear speaker and flip up number plate.... If only you lived in Jo'burg, South Africa.... you could add the flame thrower to top it off ;-)
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        • #5
          Ummm.... ok..

          1. The system incorporated in cars is very sophisticated. It takes into account your speed and what angle your car would turn at that speed, depending on how far you turn the wheel. Each headlight is aimed individually with very precise motors.

          While this can certainly be implemented, it would require structural modification to mount the headlights, and two strong stable servos to hold the headlights steady in normal operation with precise control. Also, it would require a LOT of mathematical work. Angles based on speed are not the easiest thing to code.

          2. To implement this, you'd have to install the physical scanning system somewhere on the door, and keep it durable and clean. Also, if you use a microcontroller to perform the IDing task, you'd wouldn't have any software for it. All of the ID software I know of that would interact with a reader are based on mainstream OSs (variations of Windows, *nix, Palm, and portable OSs). You would have to write everything yourself, which means learning Assembler (or C) and advanced recognition algorithms.

          In other words, unless you use a readymade software/hardware package, it isn't feasible. And that defeats the whole purpose.

          3. Unless you weigh 70lb or 400lb, weight is a very unspecific criterion. With my fast metabolism, if I'm very busy on a given day and don't have time to eat, I can lose as much as 5lb. And, I'd say about 70% of my friends are within 5lb of my weight. Whereas fingerprints are a unique trait, height and weight have a very low variety.

          4. It sounds like you're talking about a focused sound projector. There are speaker systems (not yet on the market) that let you do just that. The idea is that someone watching TV can hear the sound clearly, while someone sitting 5 feet away and out of line-of-fire of the speakers will hear nothing.

          Such systems are not (as far as I know) on the market yet though, and are no doubt VERY expensive and not powerful enough to transmit the sound over the distance you'd have between your two cars. Also, the directional aspect of the signal would be ruined due to motion and wind.

          5. I'm not entirely sure what you described here. But... it sounds like a dual monitor setup, with one of the monitors hidden away. If it looks cool, go for it. You said something about a retractable panel covering the 2nd display... you can use a motor connected to a relay board to control that. Do a search, you'll come up with tons of threads on the topic.


          Edit: Be warned, the following is VERY illegal. Instead of your speaker idea, you could do what my friend did. He put a motor on his license plate, and put a VERY bright light behind it. It is literaly blinding. He doesn't use it o blind people behind him though (usually )... he uses it on EZ Pass tolls. The light is so bright that it blinds the camera. It doesn't get a shot of his license plate, or even of what happened... just a white screen.

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          • #6
            I am guessing you haven't seen the movie Tucker: The Man and His Dream. He had created a car with a center headlight that turned with the wheels.
            http://www.libertyhaven.com/theoreti...tuckercar.html

            As for the fingerprint ID:
            http://store.pcpowerzone.com/uareupeed20f.html
            I have seen them cheaper somewhere but I can't find the link.

            As far as the weight thing, would work but would be alot of work and expensive. And what if your wife/gf drives the car?

            The speaker would probably get you a ticket. I am sure it would be a distraction.

            If your dash flipped up, then the monitor would be in view of all behind/beside you. Cops included. That would get you a ticket as well.
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            • #7
              I dont think you guys understood what my first idea was. I am not talkin about using the turn signal at all. I was talking about the actual headlight moving as you turn, so the can see more of the road as your turning- I would was something like a lock of like -10 degrees to +10 degrees. So your lights follow the turn around corners. I think you guess somehow thought i was talking about automatic signals to inform cars that i was switching lanes, this idea wouldnt work at all because as you said, you would have to turn very sharply for the computer to turn the feature on. But i guess you could have a digi cam running @ like 10fps and converting the lanemarks to some kind of data, then it would interpolate the position of your car, and when you are approaching the next lane, it would signal? Buy yeah, that wasnt my idea at all, sorry if i wasnt clear.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bubbrubb
                I dont think you guys understood what my first idea was. I am not talkin about using the turn signal at all. I was talking about the actual headlight moving as you turn, so the can see more of the road as your turning- I would was something like a lock of like -10 degrees to +10 degrees. So your lights follow the turn around corners. I think you guess somehow thought i was talking about automatic signals to inform cars that i was switching lanes, this idea wouldnt work at all because as you said, you would have to turn very sharply for the computer to turn the feature on. But i guess you could have a digi cam running @ like 10fps and converting the lanemarks to some kind of data, then it would interpolate the position of your car, and when you are approaching the next lane, it would signal? Buy yeah, that wasnt my idea at all, sorry if i wasnt clear.
                Read my explanation for why this one is best left to the manufacturers.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bubbrubb
                  I dont think you guys understood what my first idea was. I am not talkin about using the turn signal at all. I was talking about the actual headlight moving as you turn, so the can see more of the road as your turning- I would was something like a lock of like -10 degrees to +10 degrees. So your lights follow the turn around corners. I think you guess somehow thought i was talking about automatic signals to inform cars that i was switching lanes, this idea wouldnt work at all because as you said, you would have to turn very sharply for the computer to turn the feature on. But i guess you could have a digi cam running @ like 10fps and converting the lanemarks to some kind of data, then it would interpolate the position of your car, and when you are approaching the next lane, it would signal? Buy yeah, that wasnt my idea at all, sorry if i wasnt clear.
                  The new 5-series does exactly what you are talking about - for seeing "around corners".
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                  • #10
                    Found the link I couldn't find earlier. Fingerprint ID optical mouse:
                    http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=99199
                    Kinda cool.
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                    • #11
                      I love all the comments, even tho most of them are bad--i expected that here, so no worries. So heres what i have to say to respound to them.

                      2. To implement this, you'd have to install the physical scanning system somewhere on the door, and keep it durable and clean. Also, if you use a microcontroller to perform the IDing task, you'd wouldn't have any software for it. All of the ID software I know of that would interact with a reader are based on mainstream OSs (variations of Windows, *nix, Palm, and portable OSs). You would have to write everything yourself, which means learning Assembler (or C) and advanced recognition algorithms.

                      In other words, unless you use a readymade software/hardware package, it isn't feasible. And that defeats the whole purpose.
                      Acutally it wouldnt be that hard to code that, ive learned very early c++ logic at college, and i think it would be able to get that complete. And even if i couldnt, why would a already made package defeat the purpose? it wouldnt at all, it would actually help 'the purpose'

                      3. Unless you weigh 70lb or 400lb, weight is a very unspecific criterion. With my fast metabolism, if I'm very busy on a given day and don't have time to eat, I can lose as much as 5lb. And, I'd say about 70% of my friends are within 5lb of my weight. Whereas fingerprints are a unique trait, height and weight have a very low variety.
                      None of my friends wiegh 5lb's of each other, or me. i find it strange that yours are.. everyone you know are almost exactly the same size? very strange indeed.

                      4. It sounds like you're talking about a focused sound projector. There are speaker systems (not yet on the market) that let you do just that. The idea is that someone watching TV can hear the sound clearly, while someone sitting 5 feet away and out of line-of-fire of the speakers will hear nothing.
                      No its called hypersonic sound. It is concentrated sound waves that only can be heard in a concentrated radius. It would work also ( people shouldnt just make statements without doing research ) and is actually going to be put in police cars for the exact same reason i wanted to put one in my plate - http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html for more info.
                      As far as the weight thing, would work but would be alot of work and expensive. And what if your wife/gf drives the car?

                      The speaker would probably get you a ticket. I am sure it would be a distraction.
                      Im not married, and if i were, all you would have to do is make another user account for her--duh
                      As for the speaker, why would it be a distraction, in the dark it would be extremely difficult for a police officer to see, and what he cant hear wont attackt his attention also.

                      And as for the whole headlight thing, that might (since i havent dont research i dont know) not be able to implemented.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Banderon
                        Read my explanation for why this one is best left to the manufacturers.
                        yeah i think he was talking about me. sorry
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                        • #13
                          Also the speakers for the HSS are already out, ive seen them somewhere, dont remember the price point, but it wouldnt be that expensive im sure-- couldnt be more then a good set of subs for your car.

                          Found the link I couldn't find earlier. Fingerprint ID optical mouse:
                          http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=99199
                          Kinda cool.
                          That could be used to implement the scanning security, and its an already made and tested. All i would have to do now is figure out a good location for it that wouldnt look tacky! Oh, and of course i would have to gut it and throw away the mouse, since it wouldnt be useful after i got the finger print scanner outta it. Good link, im sure ill be picking one of those up soon.

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                          • #14
                            Ok, guys, appologies, I miss read / miss understood the turning and lights stuff.... thought it was for indicators / turn signals...

                            As for head lights.... Best left to the manufacturers....

                            Something easy to implement on the other hand would be the good old rain detector and automatic windscreen wippers....

                            Totally off thread, has anyone ever thought of adding 'black box' tyep functionality to their Carputer? Just need some physical logging of GPS data etc.

                            Add a GSM card, you could send the device a text message and it could respond with the exact location of your car by text message (assuming the car is running).
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bubbrubb
                              Acutally it wouldnt be that hard to code that, ive learned very early c++ logic at college, and i think it would be able to get that complete. And even if i couldnt, why would a already made package defeat the purpose? it wouldnt at all, it would actually help 'the purpose'
                              If you want to attempt to code an application for fingerprint identification, working on a purely bit by bit level, go right ahead. Not C++... most microcontrollers are programed in assmebler or C. And the reason a ready-made package would defeat the purpose is because for that, your computer would have to already be on and running.


                              Originally posted by bubbrubb
                              None of my friends wiegh 5lb's of each other, or me. i find it strange that yours are.. everyone you know are almost exactly the same size? very strange indeed.
                              Weight is a very bad way to ID people. Hell, I dump more than 2lb anytime I take a dump. Your weight fluctuates a lot in a given day. Also, I'm 6'1" and weight about 170lb. I believe I am right around the average weight for my height, and yes.. most of my friends are within +/- 2" of me... and within about 5lb.


                              Originally posted by bubbrubb
                              No its called hypersonic sound. It is concentrated sound waves that only can be heard in a concentrated radius. It would work also ( people shouldnt just make statements without doing research ) and is actually going to put in police cars for the exact same reason i wanted to put one in my plate - http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html for more info.
                              This technology has probably been developed by a number of different companies already. And it wouldn't work in a moving vehicle. A moving vehicle has a very large amount of air circulation all around it that would disrupt the aiming of the audio signal.

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