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    Anyone have any comments on this?

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    They are a very complex system designed for tunning the car for max tunning of the car. I've read of others spending $100's of dollars to set them up properly

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    • #3
      I'm pretty sure that it can be done for less, and notice the cars on the list acura integra, honda civic/del sol... they're just price gouging to rape the average ricer out of his money. keep looking

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      • #4
        I saw something on TechTV, hmm maybe regular news, about a company that hacked the honda's ECU to change timing values and such. Anyhow, I think it wasn't nearly that expensive, and it was a reputable company. Now if I could only remember what they're name was...
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        • #5
          15 HUNDO!!! Damn that's alot of money for a few extra horsepower, might as well get a supercharger or nitrous instead.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hcomplyr
            I'm pretty sure that it can be done for less, and notice the cars on the list acura integra, honda civic/del sol... they're just price gouging to rape the average ricer out of his money. keep looking
            What a lot of people in the import scene know, 'hp aint cheap'. For reliable add's in horsepower, youre going to have to spend 1000's of dollars, no matter how you slice it.
            Originally posted by dodgetimes2
            15 HUNDO!!! Damn that's alot of money for a few extra horsepower, might as well get a supercharger or nitrous instead.
            lol supercharger for 1500? youre funny. Superchargers go for 3300+, laybor, and dont forget the bolt-ons you have to install to run them without blowing your engine. Good headers alone can cost 400bux and youre only adding 3-10hp. But anyways, anything with AEM brand on it is topnotch, and should be used concurrently with F/I or at least a built N/A engine..... at least i/h/e.

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            • #7
              I'm not trying to argue about the price of superchargers ($1500 vs. $3300), just saying that $1500 could be spent in much better way. There are many other better mods that offer more bang for your buck. Or maybe a set of Whistler Tips!! WOO!!! WOO!!
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              • #8
                Wow, JC has come a long way...

                Anyway, the biggest problem with performance mods is misinformation.

                I get kids coming into my work (I'm the performance guy at my parts store) asking for cheap performance mods, or asking for specific parts. Things like an AEM Fuel Rail, or that AEM Engine Management, or one of the other ones like the GReddy EManage. They're very nice upgrades, but it's like asking for a blow-off valve or boost controller for an N/A car. Added to the right setup, they help, but on their own, do almost nothing but look cool. The Engine Control computers aren't a lot of use on a stock engine, but when you've spent lots of money and tripled your horsepower, the stock ECM isn't going to cut it. You'll be looking at that AEM setup with a different opinion. It'll be your new best friend.

                Talking about the price of hor$epower, Part of the reason that it costs more to get max power out of newer cars is the optimization by the factory. Look at the S2000 for example. People are complaining that they spend thousands! on upgrades for it (Supercharger is most popular) only to get an extra 60-100 horsepower. The thing is, that engine is so optimized, that extra power is hard to get. Sure, a B18C can hit 400 HP, but won't be nearly as mild-mannered as the S2000 was designed to be, nor will it last as long.

                Anyway, this is getting a bit off-topic, so I'll let you guys get back to it.

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                • #9
                  I honestly think its worth modding your car, you might as well sell your old one and buy a new one which allready 400horses or whatever. Mods are waste of money, you will never get your money back for it. And these car dealers overprice them, because they know kids are somewhat foolish.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by elec999
                    I honestly think its worth modding your car, you might as well sell your old one and buy a new one which allready 400horses or whatever. Mods are waste of money, you will never get your money back for it. And these car dealers overprice them, because they know kids are somewhat foolish.
                    I agree that you never get back what you put into a car. (There are a few rare exceptions)

                    Otherwise, if you're saying it's not worth it to mod a car, I disagree. Sure, I like the way my car looks, but I like things to be personalized. I want it to do thing things I like. Auto manufacturers have to cater to everyone, which means there's going to be some compromises. It's a lot like saying, why bother putting a car computer into your car. Why not just buy a new car that's got the full multimedia setup installed already. You never get your money back from buying a new car either.

                    I also like fast cars, but I can't afford a Corvette or NSX or whatever fast car you prefer. So, why not buy (for example) a '92 Civic for $3000 and stick a GSR engine ($2500), turbo it ($3000). You should be looking at about 250-300+ horse, for less than $10,000.

                    Anyway, my point is, it's all about what you want. It doesn't matter what other people think. In the end, you're the one that has to live with the car.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Superduck
                      Talking about the price of hor$epower, Part of the reason that it costs more to get max power out of newer cars is the optimization by the factory. Look at the S2000 for example. People are complaining that they spend thousands! on upgrades for it (Supercharger is most popular) only to get an extra 60-100 horsepower. The thing is, that engine is so optimized, that extra power is hard to get. Sure, a B18C can hit 400 HP, but won't be nearly as mild-mannered as the S2000 was designed to be, nor will it last as long.
                      Actually its because most imports are optimized to be a LEV or ULEV instead of raw power. And there are people *****ing about 'only getting 60-100 hp' with a supercharger? WTF superchargers only give 45-60hp at the VERY BEST conditions. They should be lucky that you have some kind of magic supercharger that gives them that much power.
                      Originally posted by elec999
                      I honestly think its worth modding your car, you might as well sell your old one and buy a new one which allready 400horses or whatever. Mods are waste of money, you will never get your money back for it. And these car dealers overprice them, because they know kids are somewhat foolish.
                      Yeah, i totally disagree with you. Mods arent worthless at all. What if you want a certain body style, and that car is slow? Only thing you can do is mod it. And the reason that mods cost so much is because they have to be tested a lot before they sell them. Like the turbo kit from garnett for the 6th gen accords took over 2 years to develope.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bubbrubb
                        Actually its because most imports are optimized to be a LEV or ULEV instead of raw power. And there are people *****ing about 'only getting 60-100 hp' with a supercharger? WTF superchargers only give 45-60hp at the VERY BEST conditions. They should be lucky that you have some kind of magic supercharger that gives them that much power.
                        Okay, are you generalizing, or talking specifically about the S2000, as I was?

                        I have never seen any documentation that says superchargerd are somehow limited to 45-60hp. You can add a zero to that number on some drag cars. It's usually a percentage of base HP, roughly 45%. So, yes, on a Civic base 1.5L engine, you'd be lucky to see 45hp.

                        By the way, the magical supercharger I was talking about goes by the name of Comptech. They bolted on a supercharger, which brought an S2000 from ~205 WHP (240 at crank) to 289 WHP. That's 84.
                        If you need proof, try Vortech's Site
                        They show power gains for a variety of vehicles, from Mustangs and Camaros to Civics and Integras. They show a crank HP increase of over 100 for the S2000.

                        As for the ULEV, that accounts for some of it, but a lot of it has to do with design. For example, to get the kind of power out of the S2000, Honda needed 11.0:1 compression, thus adding high boost means lowering compression, which means more money. For the most part, modded S2k's seem to run in the high 200's, not much better than modded Integras and Civics. One of my customers at work took a low-tech OHV 2.2 Cavalier and got 220hp without boost or juice. He's planning on slapping on a turbo and hitting the 300hp mark. I won't even go into the Toyota and Nissan 6 cyl's. 600hp without touching the inside of the engine.

                        Anyway, in the end, it all boils down to the ever-powerful dollar.
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                        • #13
                          add one thing to all that was said. Rule of Deminishing Returns

                          on my car, intake alone adds 10-15hp. like "wohooo" then I had the ecu reflashed. another 15-20 "wohooo" then i've been looking at rest of the possible mods....exhaust nets me <5hp for $500. a race header if i want to go illegal....not yet. a shorty header is <5hp for $400 too. so at this point....i'm stuck hehe. unless i go out for like cams or FI.

                          electronics is so easy. extra DVD drive? just plug it in. want more ram? plug it in u get exactly what u put in. with mods though it's like u put in 500 bucks, doesn't mean u'll get much.

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                          • #14
                            Well how about this, it works with a handcontroller but maybe with the right software you could find a way to hook it up to your comp? Its not the best looking module but seems alot cheaper if it would work. Then again i really dont know about these things?
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                            • #15
                              Do it yourself and save a couple of bucks! This is the system that I am wanting to run in the future. The vision is to be able to press a button on my car computer and completly reconfigure my cars fuel maps and boost pressure (once I go with forced induction). Should be possible. Check it out at

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