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  • Strange M10000 problems

    I've been having some trouble with my M10000, it refuses to boot XP. Heres a rough outline of what has happened and what I've done to trouble shoot. First off my parts:

    M10000, 40 GB Toshiba HD, Slim slot-loading DVD/CDRW, 512 .8" 266DDR, DC PSU that came with my C134 Travla case

    When I connected everything up for the first time and popped in my XP boot-able install cd everything started normally (loading the drivers etc) until the actual GUI installer is supposed to come up then it BSOD on me stating my BIOS was not fully ACPI compliant. I checked the web and I have the latest BIOS (1.13) so I went into the BIOS and set everything to the fail-safe settings...still BSOD. So I grabbed my Bart PE bootdisk and tried to load that up . It would get to the point right before PE should show up and it would BSOD on me again with the same error.

    This is when I started to think some of my hardware maybe bad. So I pull the hard drive and hook it up to my desktop machine. Insert my XP boot cd and it installs no problem. Hmm...ok, I hook the hard drive back up to my M10000 and fire it up thinking I'm going to be home free...nope. It looks like its booting normally (showing me my system summary etc...) then the screen goes blank. The machine is still running and everything but the hd activity led is no longer blinking happily. So I have to hard boot and this time it asks me for Safe Mode, Safe Mode w/ networking etc... Well thats a good sign at least it knows it took a **** last boot. So I select Safe Mode w/ Command prompt. I watch the initialized files pass by then it stops on "Mup.sys" and strangly enough I look through the list of the drivers already loaded and ACPI.sys is up about 15 from Mup.sys.

    Ok, maybe there is something screwy going on with my stick of memory I start to think so I find a copy of memtest86 and burn it to a boot-able cd and try it out. No errors what so ever. I tried unplugging both my hard drive and CD and it booted normally until the normal boot from hard disk at which point it complained about not having anything to boot from. Then I read that maybe my PSU isn't powerful enough and if its not it can cause problems. So I hook up my PSU from my desktop machine (550W) and still no changes. I've tried posting on viaarena.com and I've gotten no ideas so I thought I'd give you all a shot as well. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated

  • #2
    I'm thinking about resorting to down grading my BIOS to 1.0f and see if that helps at all. I have been saving this as a last resort because I hate messing with firmware because I'm afraid I'm going to turn my hardware into a door stop.

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    • #3
      This sounds like a power or heat problem. Could a cable be obstructing the processor fan? Have you tried powering with a regular AC-DC ATX power supply?
      EPoX mATX SocketA w/onboard Geforce4MX / 512MB PC2700 / AthlonXP 1600
      Lilliput / DVDrom / Opus 150W / WD 3.5" 160GB / SB Audigy NX
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      • #4
        Just to offer it, have you considered applying this modification yet? It may apply to additional boards other than the cl10000. When I bought my case and M/B, it seemed to boot about 1-2 times right. After that I began to have at least some of the issues you expressed. But since the problems that this can cause are very vague in nature, it is difficult to pinpoint this as being a valid solution to your problem.

        In my case, I called the case manufacturer directly to see if this modification could help me. They confirmed with certainty that this would not be the cause of the problems I was seeing, and that they had already resolved all of these issues in the production model I owned, and the modification was not neccesary.

        Eventually I ignored their advice and applied the mod anyways, as a just-in-case.

        And it did fix my issues.

        http://www.casetronic.com/faq/faq-CL10000.html

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        • #5
          The M10000 doesn't suffer from this problem as far as I understand it.
          EPoX mATX SocketA w/onboard Geforce4MX / 512MB PC2700 / AthlonXP 1600
          Lilliput / DVDrom / Opus 150W / WD 3.5" 160GB / SB Audigy NX
          XP home / Road Runner / iGuidance 4.0

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          • #6
            Knoppix

            Have you tried booting with knoppix ? It's a big download, but once you download it and burn it to a CD you might be able to troubleshoot your problems better.

            Also, have you tried a different CD drive? or tried the dirve in a different computer?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by pip
              This sounds like a power or heat problem. Could a cable be obstructing the processor fan? Have you tried powering with a regular AC-DC ATX power supply?
              Originally posted by cyber
              Then I read that maybe my PSU isn't powerful enough and if its not it can cause problems. So I hook up my PSU from my desktop machine (550W) and still no changes.
              Also to note this isn't currently installed in my car. I have the case (taken apart) on my desk so heat shouldn't be an issue. I checked the heat reading in the BIOS and its not too bad nor is the heat sink hot to the touch (just a little warm)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by b_nom
                Have you tried booting with knoppix ? It's a big download, but once you download it and burn it to a CD you might be able to troubleshoot your problems better.

                Also, have you tried a different CD drive? or tried the dirve in a different computer?
                I'm 99% sure its not the cd drive because I can load up boot-able cds no problem. I was able to use
                Ultimate Boot cd and run aida, Barts boot disk, and browse my hard drive. I even tried leaving my hard drive and unplugging my cdrom but I still got the same hangup on "Mup.sys". By all accounts my machine is working (if I only wanted to use DOS). I'll give Knoppix a shot when I get home from work. I tried installing Slackware 9 from a boot-able cd but it got hung-up before the install could happen.


                UPDATE:

                I just tried Knoppix 3.4 and it froze "Checking for for USB" (yes it says for twice). I don't have the front USB/audio/or firewire connectors plugged in so the only usb should be the two jacks in the back.

                On my second try I booted Knoppix using "failsafe" and it booted fully into Knoppix. Now I have the long process of guessing which piece of integrated hardware is being a bastard.

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                • #9
                  Ok I'm officially confused...

                  knoppix (2.4) only works if I specify "failsafe" or "knoppix nousb" BUT if I specify the 2.6.6 kernel it works ("knoppix26"). Does anyone have any linux / Knoppix experience to know why the 2.4 kernel hangs while "Checking for for USB" and the 2.6.6 kernel rips along no problem? I'll go into my BIOS and try to copy most of my settings to this post to see if anyone can spot some problems I'm missing

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                  • #10
                    Pnp/PCI Configurations
                    ----------------------
                    PNP OS Installed : No
                    Reset Configuration Data : Disabled
                    Resources Controlled By : Auto(ESCD)
                    IRQ Resources : --
                    Assign IRQ For VGA : Enabled
                    Assign IRQ For USB : Enabled

                    If anyone else has any other BIOS screens they think would help let me know and I'll copy those settings down as well

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                    • #11
                      i'm having this same problem anyone know what i can do
                      Now they wanna ban toy guns...AND KEEP THE *****ING REAL ONES?!?!?!?!!!

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                      • #12
                        Same thing happened to me over the weekend.If you have an official copy of XP install an unused hard disk.Boot from CD with XP Installation Disk and it should install ok.XP seems to be able to detect any major hardware change and it was only by using a hard disk without any previous Microsoft system software was I able to solve the problem.Let us know if this solves your problem.

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                        • #13
                          Solution:
                          In Pnp/PCI Configurations
                          change this to Enable => "Reset Configuration Data : Disabled"

                          why:
                          XP is tripping because it doesn't recognize some of the hardware. This will make it confirm all the hardware before booting.


                          I used to have the same problem and looked at many sites on the internet. One in particular, hardwareanalysis.com has LOTS of people with this problem and they all have different hardware. Their solutions include removing cards, changing hardware, changing to optimized BIOS and other things... All of them will make XP re-confirm all hardware.
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                          • #14
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                            • #15
                              if you allow, here's one suggestion which is quite strange but worked for me, on other kind of motherboard but the issue was the same with the usb keyboard which was freezing the computer in install context for example. The usb keyboard was completely dead.
                              I tried some tips sawn here and there but none was successfull.
                              The Linux was going completely nuts with false alarms about wrong md5 keys, difficulties to unpack some rpm archives, freezing usb. This was really really strange.
                              I tried with one very old Red Hat 5.2 and it worked normal.
                              As you said the problem was certainely in the kernel 2.4
                              The problem as much i found and understood was in the APIC and / or APCI management.
                              If you enter in command line at the boot time: linux noapic noacpi or modifying you lilo.conf and adding these instructions, you should solve the problem.
                              This is how i made my usb devices working.

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