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  • PocketPC/WinCE on a Mini-itx

    Hi all, first timer here. Has anyone here tried or thought about running WinCE or variants on a Mini-ITX motherboard? I found a motherboard called LV-670M from Commell Systems that claims to be compatible to WinCE, Embedded XP, etc.

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    pocket pc wouldnt work on an itx because its compiled for a different processor type. pocket pc's run on the ARM processor which is a mix between x86 and a RISC processor.
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    • #3
      You can also use Windows XP Embedded if you can get a hold of it.
      Old plans out the window because of an accident .
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      • #4
        ARM based Mini-ITX motherboard

        Found this via Google. Samsung 2410 Evaluation board

        It's a Mini-ITX motherboard that uses an ARM cpu. Not that I could easily get a hold of one, but if I did, ..I wonder if it would work.

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        • #5
          You can also use Windows XP Embedded if you can get a hold of it.
          I can... I shall have to read into what exactelly it does...
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          • #6
            windows ce.net can run on a multitude of various processors. Since microsoft bumped it up to that .net designation or in 4.2 (I forget exactly when) windows ce can be used to run on x86 processors. I think the list of different supported processors is 10 or more including various arm and risc processors.

            Windows CE is being marketted as an oem development tool. I think the software tool costs 900 per license and between 10 and 50 dollars for repackaging into devices. I have the windows ce 4.2 package through my college's msdnaa program (I get microsoft stuff for free) and the sucker is 6 cds cuz it has images for like a kajillion different platforms. You can use the package to create different images for the device you are building (in our case an x86 based processor) I believe that the via boards all can be run by ce.net and the boards with built in flash readers can even boot ce from them with via's fastloader utility. (no need for ide->flash adapter thingy) Unfortunately, I don't think the fastloader utility supports xpe.

            Although the kernel for ce is called win32, it is different from the win32 in xp. Any software that relies on win32 API calls (this includes .net) will not be able to run on CE. This includes winamp and probably any of the software thats talked about on this board. When compiling code in visual studio.net, you have to target the ce API by downloading some tools via microsoft for free (too lazy to find link)

            Media in ce is not as well supported as in xp or xpe. All the codecs and whatnot that are used on xp would have to be recompiled for the ce framework. I did run across windows media player for ce or some crud like that. I didn't read too much into it, but it did not look as robust as the regular window media player and couldn't find SDK for it either.

            I am currently coding a custom frontend / UI for my carputer and I am codeveloping two versions, one to work on the CE and the other on the xp framework simply because I haven't decided which platform I want my carputer to be running although all signs point towards using xpe at this time.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kamskii
              Found this via Google. Samsung 2410 Evaluation board

              It's a Mini-ITX motherboard that uses an ARM cpu. Not that I could easily get a hold of one, but if I did, ..I wonder if it would work.
              Wow that is amazing although a bit 'snailey' it only uses 2.4 watts!! That is almost nothing but probably USB devices would use the lion's share of the power!!!
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              • #8
                XP Embedded
                Quick! To the Popemobile!

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                • #9
                  Would there be any advantage to use XP Embedded instead of XP Pro?

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                  • #10
                    Embedded would most certainly be smaller in size, and thus should boot faster.

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                    • #11
                      embedded can also be specifically configured to run on a compact flash memory device where as xp isn't

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by zojirushi
                        embedded can also be specifically configured to run on a compact flash memory device where as xp isn't
                        that would be great - i've seen a lot about the IDE adaptor for the CF. Does CF really have fast enough access times to boot an OS 'quickly' though?

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                        • #13
                          Roughly how large is Windows XP Embedded? Unless it's really small, like 15-20megs in size, I can't see how the current generation of Compact flash can load it quickly enough to be any good.

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                          • #14
                            that would be a good question for people who are actually running xp embedded, as footprint of the os depends on the platform you are targetting it for.

                            The microsoft literature states that avg size is smaller than 100 megs with footprints as small as 15-20 megs. Although on this forum, I've read of footprints of over 100 megs cuz of all the usb drivers, windows media player, and other things that are needed in the xpe image for carputer software.

                            windows ce footprints can be as small as just the kernal at roughly 250kb! and the MII can boot ce from its onboard flash reader w/ via's fastloader utility. Although software wise, won't be as robust as xpe

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                            • #15
                              I'm glad someone mentioned WinCE, or Pocket PC OS, because there are X86 varients to it, but nobody has coded any Audio software/frontends or GPS software for it yet.

                              Could quite easily run the OS off a flash card, and only the HDD to read MP3/Vid datat from.
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